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February 5, 2015
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Hey Tpe’ers,
Well I followed your good advice and have bought a sub to HRC.
Well I totally love this thing.
However, I am unsure whether I am using it correctly…I don’t want to learn a faulty strategy.
I shall try to keep this simple.
I am trying to look at shove ranges on the exact money bubble as a bigger stack in 180 man turbos.
Although I have had marginal success in these, I certainly was never a crusher. (Usually I am a “crushee”).
For example: (27 places paid, 28 remaining): I have always wondered whether if I have a 20 bb stack in the HJ and everybody behind me has 10bb stacks, I shoud be shoving the vast majority of my range. I expect so, so I tried to set it up in HRC.
The problem is the calculator only allows 10 places paid.
My questions are:
a) Presumably HRC takes into account the money bubble when analysing ICM situations. Is this correct?
b) How would I go about setting up an approximate payout structure and how would I perform the analysis of this situation?
Anyone can answer, but I remember ginger from these 180’s so maybe you have this routine nailed for 180s?
Thank you!
Mark.
May 14, 2013
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HRC implement recently a multiple payout >10 players.
you have to select multitable ICM option and then you will have a new box where you have to fill all the payout structure and also all the stack.
I can’t copy paste some screenshotto show you but there is a good (free) video here that show what you want
February 5, 2015
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Thanks!
That is good to hear.
Thanks for the link…I will check it out, but I think I saw the pokerstrategy HRC video before.
If I input for instance: 50/30/20 as the payout structure, and there are 4 players left, HRC takes the exact money bubble into account in its ICM solution, yes? I’m sure it must do, else it would be a pretty crap calculator, but I saw something in a support thread which confused me.
(I think I found the approximation for the 180s in a 2+2 thread, but I am glad they have updated the thing).
I can play around with the payout structures, I just want to be assured the thing takes the money bubble into account in its analysis.
Thanks guys!
Mark
May 14, 2013
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By definition ICM calculation are taking bubble into account as bubble is a payout jump. prize ladder is a successive bubble situations
February 5, 2015
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Thanks!
I suppose that was perhaps one of the most ridiculous questions ever!
After you put it like that I guess that should have been obvious.
I never thought about it like that before.
I read a 2+2 thread where what they were saying made no sense to me… I can’t recall exactly but it was something to do with the…
Ahhh who cares.
I can’t remember!
I will cherish your definition!
(In reality I have been employed by RIO to ask as many ridiculous questions on these forums as possible in order to discredit the TPE student base…(joke)).
February 5, 2015
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Hey lafauriea,
I re-looked at that link from pokerstrategy. It is all in there its true.
I watched the thing before I had any familiarity with the calculator, but now re-watching the video after becomining familiar with HRC it all makes a lot more sense.
TPE Pro
August 25, 2012
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HRC’s new multi-table ICM feature is indeed very valuable. If you play a lot of 180-mans I’d recommend having a copy of the payout structure saved somewhere on your desktop, so you can easily input it into the calculator. Keeping track of other stacks can be a pain, but if you bear in mind that a 180man SNG has 270,000 chips in play (assuming they still start with 1500 stacks, haven’t played them for a while), then you can use the number of chips at your table to work out average stacks at the other tables.
February 5, 2015
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Hey! I have created my own thread to get help with HRC.
Well this programme is a beast! I love it…
Matt, in the Rice Dice thread you speak of disabling the push/fold feature, and enabling min-raise.
Where is the setting for that please?
August 20, 2015
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I think a one-off, very slow, from the ground up ‘here’s the basic features of HRC’ video would be awesome, followed by a slightly more advanced topics one – I have had three sessions of coaching and am getting more familiar with this software but by god it has a vertical learning curve until you ‘get it’.
I think I know what is going on for the most simple stuff, but a reference vid would be super useful.
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August 25, 2012
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Didn’t see this thread until now, apologies.
HRC is indeed tough to get to grips with, but there are some tutorials on YouTube already which should help:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGVAn1JFq-U
I think it’s more intuitive than it seems once you know what each part of the display is referring to. You really don’t need the graphs or charts on the bottom left and bottom right of the screen – the only things you need are the range readouts on the top left, and the EV grid on the top right.
For the most part, I think people have problems with HRC when they don’t know what they’re looking at, which comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the concepts of Nash equilibrium/unexploitable/GTO ranges versus exploitative ranges. I would recommend giving yourself a refresher on these topics if you’re unsure about them. My video series on short stack play should hopefully give you an idea. It’s also important to understand the idea of ‘game trees’ and recognise that each hand of poker starts with a specific decision point and branches out from there.
As far as disabling push-fold and enabling min-raise goes, all you have to do is run ‘Advanced hand’ and set the open-raise sizing to a min-raise. If you want to give the option to either min-raise or shove all-in, you can just type the min-raise sizing number followed by a comma and the phrase ‘all-in’, and it will run the calculation with those two options enabled. You can add up to four different raise sizings for each individual situation without the program crashing, but the slower your computer the harder it will be to get a result without it slowing down massively.
The bottom line is that even if you never use the ‘Advanced Hand’ function and you never lock in ranges to do an exploitative calculation, HRC is still a more or less essential tool for MTT play. If you don’t at least have a well-developed understanding of Nash push-fold ranges at stacks of 15bb and below, you have very little chance of succeeding in today’s MTT climate. I would definitely recommend working with HRC as much as possible, even if it’s only on a basic level.
February 5, 2015
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Hey Matt, brilliant stuff…thanks!
I am working my way thru the links you put up.
I have a question though…
If I create a fictitious hand to analyse, I need to input either ChipEV or ICM/FGS. Indeed, even when I am looking at a hand from my HH files, I need to input either cEV or ICM.
My question is: If I download a whole tournament all at once, to get the symbols where it tells me if I played the correct ranges, does the calculator automatically know whether we are on the bubble, say, or on the FT?
It would seem that my initial concern which initiated this thread had some merit. Because, if the calculator requires me to manually input cEV or ICM when investigating a single hand, how then can we expect it to automatically designate each hand from a tournament?
I’m not too bothered about this, because I usually flag an individual hand to study later when I’m playing, I rarely look at entire sessions. But it would be good to know.
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