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My First 2/5 Hand
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October 6, 2016 - 6:36 pm
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This hand is from the first time I ever played 2/5 NL. I am at a 9 handed cash game at the Borgata. I would love some comments on this hand which was the very first 2/5 hand I ever played as I was very unsure of where I stood on the river and feel that I definitely didn’t take the best line.

Im sitting with a stack of about $480. I sat down about 30 min ago and had yet to open a pot or play a hand. The action had been pretty straight forward and at this point I didn’t have any significant reads on any of the players. I opened QJo from UTG+3. The standard raise at my table had been between $20-$30 so i raised to $25 and it folded to the villain on the button.

Villain was a middle aged woman who looked like a regular at the table. From the little I saw of her so far she seemed like a competent player, but I had very little info on her. She raised me from the button to $60. She covered me so my stack was the effective stack.

While the raise was on the smaller side, I wasn’t too interested in getting involved in a large pot oop with QJo, but surprisingly the BB called her 3-Bet. Now that I was getting over 4-1 i decided I’d see a flop.

Flop: 3,3,6 rainbow

BB: Checks

Hero: Checks. I think this is a standard check given her 3-bet.

Villain: considers C-Betting for a moment but looks at us and then checks behind

I would have expected her to C-Bet this flop with most hands as it would be difficult for me or the BB to connect without a pocket pair. I think she could be balancing her check range with a big pair such as AA, or potentially AK/AQ which she may not want to get c/r on based on my stack

Turn: Q

BB: Checks

Hero: I considered betting out here but in the moment I thought that my top pair decent kicker played better as a check call, so I checked. After thinking more after the hand. I think leading here would leave me with less difficult decisions.

Villain: bets 100 into 187

BB folds and Hero: calls

River: 9

Hero: Checks. At this point i don’t think I could get called by a hand that I’m beating so my plan was to check and evaluate the villian’s bet assuming she bets the river.

Villain: took a few seconds and then bet 150 into 387

I found myself in a slightly uncomfortable position here. On one hand, I felt that I had a relatively strong hand which I played very passively (mostly due to the 3-bet preflop). In the moment, i felt that I was either up against AQ, AK, or AA. Considering the odds she was giving me with the river bet, it felt that she really wanted/expected me to call with a queen. I would have expected her to bet a bit bigger with AK in order to put the most pressure on me as I still had $320 left behind and the pot was $387. 

After further thought away from the table, I think my range from her perspective looks like a medium pocket pair or a weak queen. Both of which she may think she can bluff me off of with a decent bet.

In the moment, i wasn’t really sure where I was at, and I was so focused on her having AQ or AA that I decided to fold. I was not confident in any of my options.

Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on how I could’ve played this hand a bit better? Do I just need to call down with a weak top pair here?

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October 7, 2016 - 11:38 pm
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Not strong at cash, so consider this feedback as a placeholder till someone better comes along.

Having a plan and sticking to it is key here. If you know that you’re going to play TPGK the way you did, then does it make sense to lead on the turn (or check-shove, which I bet is a bad idea because only worse hands fold—not many 3s in your range … I think she checked the flop because there were three in the pot rather than because she thought the BB had a 3)? The reason you wouldn’t want to bet is because you wouldn’t want to be raised, but the stack to pot ratio is such that you need to decide whether you’re going to stick with the hand you have.

As played I think betting out on the turn makes sense, as well as check-calling the turn and river. But again cash isn’t my strong suit. You have a bluff catcher and hoping for AK and AJ. I don’t think she has a pocket pair below QQ based on how she played, so her range is likely AJ+, KK+

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I think her 3bet range is 99+, AQ+, KQs, JTs. Against that range you don’t have many whiffs by the river. She gives you an insane price too, which sucks because if you fold a top pair and play QQ the same way, you’re still folding too much. Maybe if you play AQ this wayYou don’t have enough hands to properly defend yourself. But at the same time, a lot of people I trust with live poker tell me that you never attempt GTO or staying balanced or unexploitable in spots because everyone’s games are so out of whack that it’s far better to just look for spots that are profitable because of exploitable decisions, like knowing someone will bet three streets with no equity can cause you to play a set as a check/call check/call check/call, whereas against a more balanced player you wouldn’t do that necessarily. I’m not sure here.

Her 3bet sizing is so small that I don’t want to believe her river bet but that’s me leveling myself probably. In game, I’m probably check/calling turn and river?

On another note, your bit about her looking like she wanted to bet, and then deciding to not bet, makes me think she has a value hand overall. I don’t play live a ton, but I’ve watched a lot of live footage and read Zach Elwood’s material.

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First and most importantly, fold pre-flop. Especially if you’re not super-confident in your post-flop play, playing bigger than usual, etc., you aren’t doing yourself any favors getting involved from bad position with a weak offsuit broadway hand.

Other than that, I think you played perfectly. One of the problems with this hand is that even when it hits, you don’t have a value hand, at least not until you’ve seen a full round of checks. You’re seeing the flop only because of the price you got to do so (and because you made a mistake committing so much money to the pot with such a weak hand in the first place), not because you’re anticipating a great opportunity any time you get a piece.

So yeah, check flop planning to fold.

Check turn hoping it will check around. If it does, you can value bet if you still have top pair on the river.

If Villain bets turn, all you have is a bluff-catcher. On the turn, it’s probably a somewhat +EV bluff-catch. On the river, it may well be 0 EV even at equilibrium, and against many real life players an easy fold. 

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