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June 2, 2013
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Hello!
Just wondering how you guys play this, I thought about check shoving flop, but didn´t like much, then i fold… saw some of my draws today, and i am playing really passive those.
Thoughts?
Merge, $500 Buy-in (50/100 blinds, 10 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: 2,727 (27.3 bb)
Hero (BB): 3,940 (39.4 bb)
UTG+1: 5,700 (57 bb)
UTG+2: 4,670 (46.7 bb)
MP1: 6,785 (67.9 bb)
MP2: 5,783 (57.8 bb)
MP3: 3,977 (39.8 bb)
CO: 5,540 (55.4 bb)
BTN: 4,860 (48.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
3
3 folds, MP2 calls 100, MP3 calls 100, CO calls 100, BTN calls 100, SB completes, Hero checks
Flop: (690) 4 6 2 (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets 690, MP3 calls 690, 4 folds
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December 6, 2012
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Bet the flop. Reasonably strong draws that aren’t strong enough to check-call or check-raise are generally best played as bet-folds.
October 12, 2015
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Would a check-raise be completely wrong to do here with the second best flush draw, and a gutshot ?
December 30, 2015
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Squallneo said
Would a check-raise be completely wrong to do here with the second best flush draw, and a gutshot ?
With the stack sizes you’d be committed right? If so, do you check-raise or check-shove? I’m not sure it matters.
I rarely think of check-raising when no one has the betting lead though. I’d rather take the lead here. It works as both a semi-bluff and a blocking bet. Check-calling can potentially cost more (V bets pot, I would probably bet ~60%), has no added fold equity and gains less information. Say bet-fold costs 400 versus check/call which costs 690 and I assume we check all turns so if V bets the turn as well we (assuming we didn’t improve) probably need to call and get committed (or shove) or fold; we’ve already spent more and we still don’t know if we have lots of equity or if V is barreling with a hand like a pair with the naked A.
@ Faucault: If we lead and V flats (heads-up), and the turn is 9
….?
June 23, 2016
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@ Faucault: If we lead and V flats (heads-up), and the turn is 9
I think you can barrel the turn effectively if he calls. He might fold 6x or a 4 with a draw. I think it also depends on the type of opponent that calls. I don’t think check folding is very good after leading the flop.
I’m curious what everyone else thinks though and why?
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December 6, 2012
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Squallneo said
Would a check-raise be completely wrong to do here with the second best flush draw, and a gutshot ?
Yes. The problem is that none of your outs is to the nuts, so you really don’t want to inflate the pot so much. The Ad becomes a bigger and bigger part of people’s ranges as more bets go in.
May 19, 2016
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Do you prefer passive play?
Why not just raise it to 800 pre-flop, pots already 690 from a bunch o’limpers?
Not something I’d do all the time, but that looks like a spot most opportune.
We fold the first sign of aggression, in all streets, unless of coarse we hit really well.
We could even try a delayed CBet on the turn if it checks through the flop
What do ya think?
February 5, 2015
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hey Ray! you good? You sound like a pirate in that post!
May 19, 2016
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Aye, Aye Captain!
doing well, of coarse that’s my opinion.
Just trying to mix it up a bit?!
February 5, 2015
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I’m Flamin’ Norah almo!
Did you win the Main Event?
$500 buy in? The last time we spoke about 180s you were talking about mixing in some $2.50s!
Maybe it wasn’t you…?
June 2, 2013
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The Riceman said
I’m Flamin’ Norah almo!Did you win the Main Event?
$500 buy in? The last time we spoke about 180s you were talking about mixing in some $2.50s!
Maybe it wasn’t you…?
No main event 
, Holdem manager mistakes the buy in when it import hands, this is $6.60 turbo I think.
That was me talking about the 180s hehehe, i almost give that a shot, need about $1k to buy new computer.
February 5, 2015
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Ahhh never mind…brother I have come to a sad realisation recently…
I have realised I am crap at poker.
I have been in denial…until I watched the new Foucault series…and realised that his new “beginners series” is way more useful to me than some more advanced stuff… I never used equity calculators before I started at TPE. I realise I am one of the guys who posted hands which I should have worked out for myself with equilab etc..
It wasn’t that I was lazy…I just never knew how to do the analysis.
June 2, 2013
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The Riceman said
Ahhh never mind…brother I have come to a sad realisation recently…I have realised I am crap at poker.
I have been in denial…until I watched the new Foucault series…and realised that his new “beginners series” is way more useful to me than some more advanced stuff… I never used equity calculators before I started at TPE. I realise I am one of the guys who posted hands which I should have worked out for myself with equilab etc..
It wasn’t that I was lazy…I just never knew how to do the analysis.
I do some work with equity calculator but not much as I should, but I still think that post hands and discuss with other players are the way to go.
Andrew´s series are an awsome way to improve, there is a lot of content in, I am studying “getting paid” and “hand reading” for some time already, maybe if I watch 10 times more I can learn hehehe, never quit tow 
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