Hey Mark!

TT is probably botom of my range in this spot, also I am not too happy to shove, you have to consider V is raising from utg, he is on ~22bbs, what seems to me as a strong raise, if V had ~40bbs i would shove much more confortably.

I am not sure if i like to 3bet, this stakes i see people calling just to see a flop, and if the board is bad, sometimes i dont play it right, if you are confortable with your post flop skills you can do it. ~4.5bb should do the tricky 3betting pre flop.

The Riceman said
Hey almo thanks for your thoughts…interesting. Surely shoving tens is never a mistake. I am usually ahead right? I’m trying to win the thing, I don’t want to 3 bet then have to fold to a lot of c-bets on a lot of flops…then I’m down to 16 or whatever bigs, and it’s the same old story…just wither away.

At least I get value from his big unpaired aces…if he has a better pair I figured it was just the way it goes.

At least, this was my thinking at the time.  

Assuming a range for V of 77+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ to open raise with, hero is 50.57% to win, with blinds and antes makes it profitable. Also there is part of V´s range he just fold, this is V dependent I supose, there is players tighter or looser than that, reads help, I don´t use a HUD, so I am usually flying blind hehehe, but I still shove this. Sometimes someone will call with a monster too, there is too many people yet to act.

MovieFX said
I don’t know if I like the shove at 23BB against a UTG open with 20BB (readless). I have to assume we are looking for a fold because I wouldn’t expect us to do well against V’s calling range (JJ+, AK+, IMO).
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If V call we are pretty much flipping or in bad shape, but you have to check what V will open raise with, let say V open 25% (very loose), and only calls with that, this is a profitable shove. But if V only opens JJ+AK, means he will never fold, so is not profitable. At this $2 stakes people have no clue on what kind of BBs they can do what, I sometimes get lost on that still.

MovieFX said
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A 3-bet probably accomplishes the same thing as we look quite committed and like we are inducing, and makes us less flop dependent than a call. I’m OK 3-bet-folding since this is the bottom of a range that I am usually going with, which is what makes it so good IMO.
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 Some V will 4bet shove AJ+99+ and you will be folding. I think this 3bet fold turns your TT in a bluff, lets say you missclick and 3bet 27o, if V shove you will be folding too. Not saying you 3bet 27o, this is just for an example of my thinking.

MovieFX said
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Still, I think I like calling to set mine the most. If V is strong it should be easy to realize implied odds. I doubt V is ever folding top-pair on the flop. If we get more callers, so be it. If we induce a squeeze and V folds, I’m probably calling the short stacks and folding to the larger stacks (readless, again).

With a smaller effective stack, say 15BB, ranges on both sides get wider and more profitable. Perhaps more like?:
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 I dont like much the calling at this stage, you are very on the line to do it, but the blinds are too high, I think is best to save the chips for a full double up then. I dont like to spend 10% of my stack and be flop dependent, and hope there is not much action behind.

Yeah, 15bbs I shove happier jejeje, but not much of fold equity.

MovieFX said
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Hand	Equity	Wins	Ties
TT	49.06%	311,286,450	12,530,901
77+, AJ+, KQs	50.94%	323,433,561	12,530,901

I’m just speculating on ranges, of course. WDYT?

In this situation I don’t have much of a 3-bet-shove range (depending on table-flow). Maybe JJ-QQ and AKo+. I’m 3-betting some above and some below. Lately, this shallow (low SPR), I like flatting some of the top of my range to induce a shove and keep some dominated hands in. Let UTG make mistakes out of position, get an extra bet (c-bet), etc. I wouldn’t worry about balancing unless it goes to show-down and I’m on the table awhile. If they see me flat KK and I pick up AA soon after I might shove it or 3-bet, etc. Everything changes with read and callers of course. More WDYTs?  

 I like to call with AA and KK too, on this level I think looks weaker than a str8 shove pre flop, may induce some light squezze also.

MovieFX said

Probably just call, depending on if it is HU or multi-way. I think there are more Js in additional flatters’ ranges than UTG, for example. If I have the over-pair in a multi-way pot I’ll probably raise/re-raise to threaten stacks and call shoves from LP and perhaps fold to a re-shove from UTG. The later leaves us somewhat short but TT has to be pretty far behind a UTG flop 3-bet or c/r shove. Wet boards bring some % of draws that shove, but with no fold equity and some of those draws having a lot of equity vs an over-pair (e/g/ AKs on a J27xss board, though we are blocking Broadway draws at least), I’m not too worried about being exploited in this exact spot.

 

FWIW I was in a similar hand hand last night but shifted around the table to later positions. I had 26BB with 99 in the SB. MP, who had me covered, min-raise-opened. The BTN shoved 11BB. I re-shoved to iso and MP called with QQ, gg. I only mention this to point out that my tight-passive comments above are heavily colored by position and stack sizes in the OP’s hand.  

I asked because I used to put myself in awkward spots calling here, put me short very often, some turns and river are bad for hero, and V may bet them with or without. And was not good to jam on the flop on a low board. I hate to go short when I fell like I played badly.