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KQo shove over limper?
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October 2, 2015 - 8:27 pm
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#Game No : 726191523
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 726191523 *****
$4,500/$9,000 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #72877359 $2.70 + $0.30 – Table #34 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: PredaPoker18 ( $95,492 )
Seat 3: guitarist68 ( $127,519 )
Seat 4: london_ace ( $147,862 )
Seat 5: Mozchops14 ( $596,950 )
Seat 6: polda894 ( $211,050 )
Seat 7: Robertofono ( $187,153 )
london_ace posts ante [$1,125]
Robertofono posts ante [$1,125]
Mozchops14 posts ante [$1,125]
PredaPoker18 posts ante [$1,125]
guitarist68 posts ante [$1,125]
polda894 posts ante [$1,125]
Mozchops14 posts small blind [$4,500]
polda894 posts big blind [$9,000]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ Kheart, Qclub ]
Robertofono calls [$9,000]
PredaPoker18 folds
guitarist68 folds
london_ace ???

 

hey

 

no reads

 

anyone like shoving here? I’m not sure how often they are limp/folding or limp/calling.

 

cheers.

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October 2, 2015 - 10:38 pm
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The reason for limping behind is if you think you can outplay on the flop? If you limp and someone raises behind you, their range is probably ahead of yours. I would probably shove, but I spaz out too easily. A 3x raise, folding to a 3-bet is probably a better strategy.

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October 4, 2015 - 12:01 am
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I don’t have a limping range here , maybe i should have one? the stacks are really shallow so yeah i dunno if that would be good to limp behind with our hand.

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October 4, 2015 - 6:14 am
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not enough chips in the pot to justify shoving with that hand imo, especially if you have no reads on villain

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October 4, 2015 - 8:55 am
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Are you on the final table bubble?  There’s an argument to be made for over-limping or folding if that’s the case — not sure it’s good enough to justify not making what appears to be a profitable jam, however.  If I know the blinds are aggressive then I like the idea of over-limping much less.  I hate putting money in the pot when I’m this short and having to fold to a jam from the blinds.  

If you’re at the final table then it seems like a good spot to pick up some chips.  When it gets down to six players is when I like to start loosening up a bit.  I’m more afraid of someone calling light in this spot than trapping.  If someone is trapping then good on them.  The blinds are rarely going to call and you should fold out a huge part of the limper’s range.  Most small pairs, suited connectors and aces weaker than AJ should fold, you’ll probably even fold out AJ a decent amount of the time. 

Based on some dubious mental math it should be a profitable jam of over 1bb.  If between the blinds and the UTG limper you’re called 20% of the time and have 30% equity when called.  30% equity is probably a bit on the conservative side too since many of the calls by the UTG limper are going to either be flips or 60-40s.

Don’t take my word for it, though, this isn’t really a very complex EV problem unless you include multiple callers — even then it’s not unmanageable.  Bust out your equity calculator.

There are almost 30K chips in the pot with his limp, 20% of your stack.  I think you’ll be hard pressed to find a calling frequency/equity balance where this jam isn’t profitable.

You’re too short to 3-bet/fold.  

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Minus ICM considerations, I’m jamming under 20 bigs here. 

Most people don’t have a balanced limping range. They’re doing this with some suited aces, occasional off suit small aces, small pairs, suited connectors, and every now and then a big pair.

Any suited Ace, pairs 55+, and KQ make for a great shoving range over limps. You’re just going to be printing money here in the micro and small stakes. Heck, you can probably expand that range a bit depending on the circumstances.

I usually check my HUD to see how frequently they’re limp/folding. 

The times I hesitate to do this this are when it just feels trappy. If the limper has a short stack, with a bunch of good restealing stacks behind him, I’d think twice before jamming. You have to use your own reads and judgement in fishy spots.

Suited aces and KQ will generally perform well against a limper’s range, and have considerable blocker value against his calling range as well.

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