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flush/sraight draws on the turn???
martyfm
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December 26, 2011 - 6:53 pm
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no limit 1-2, why is it with stright and flush draws with 17 0uts +2 overs, i lose most of the time at showdown???? once, i had K high stright on flop, on turn K high flush , 15 outs?. a A to a royal .or 9c to str flush, i went all in and lost !!! to a full house???? what % is luck ?? shall i keep chasin str/flush draws??? will profit in the long run??? that hurt and put me on tilt???? what to do? what to do?

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December 26, 2011 - 6:59 pm
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I personally don't like overplaying my flush/straight draws on the turn. I usually just check/call if the pot odds are right. You're only 20% to hit a flush, so I certainly wouldn't be tooling out and shoving just a draw on the turn even with fold equity, especially on a paired board where you could be drawing dead. 

 

Just my insight on the situation. Also, your post was extremely hard to read.

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December 26, 2011 - 7:21 pm
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thanks  i agree with you, but my pot odds was 4-1,when he went all in, no pair on the board, and i cked to him, for a trap, i figured him for Qs trips, there was a 4 and a 9c ,Qc, 10c,which i thought had him beat hands down!!i called his allin river came 4s , he showed QQ, for a full boat??? any way i am getting over it, and know what tillt feels like, thanks i will ck and even if the pot odds is right i will fold, or should i keep playing str/flush draws???

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December 26, 2011 - 7:40 pm
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Folding if the odds are right is just bad. I certainly think it's +EV to chase a flush even on the turn if you're getting a good price, and you can even extract more value on the river if you do hit. I usually don't chase gutshots whatever my odds are, I just like to fold them on the flop unless the price is absurdly sick. Also, I wouldn't trap with a flush draw. Either try to take the pot down on the flop, or check call and fold when you miss. There is no yes/no answer to whether you should stop playing flush and straight draws on the turn. Also, I'm never calling a shove with just a draw, unless it's a sick draw like a open ended straight flush + 2 overs. It sounds like you're just calling shoves with 20% equity on the turn, which is pretty -EV.

 

Hope this helps.

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