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Playing OOP
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February 27, 2012 - 2:43 pm
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I have a very hard time playing oop. It’s pretty obvious to all the other regs on merge that I’m a super nit oop because It’s so hard for me. What do you guys do to combat this disadvantage?

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February 27, 2012 - 3:09 pm
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fold pre

Seriously though, I'm not sure if regs on Merge are paying that much attention TBQH.

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February 27, 2012 - 4:08 pm
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i will notice.

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February 27, 2012 - 4:26 pm
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This brings to mind the old joke:

 

patient:  “Hey doc, it hurts when i move my arm this way”

doctor:   “stop moving it that way”

 

Playing OOP is inherently -EV so don't force the action.  Try to play as much in position as possible and not waste chips in bad situations where you will be OOP.  Don't play easily dominated stuff, just monsters and stuff you can flop well disguised.  If you do try to make 3 bets from the blinds make it big enough that they can't easily call just for odds.

I find playing stuff like AT, AJ, KQ OOP is just a recipe for getting river owned or having to fold after putting too much into the pot.

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February 27, 2012 - 4:47 pm
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I have a few questions though, I agree with the general concept but you cant simply only play from the button, and any other position is prone to end up OOP on the flop, So…  I would argue you still need to have a plan for OOP play

 

Are we talking about the first 3 positions (UTG to UTG+2)?  or just in general?

Are we talking on a heads up match?

 

In any case I would suggest the following: 

  • Make your range differential much larger between EP, MP and LP, so open up rou range on the HJ, CO and Button and tighten up in EP.
  • Make your raises larger from EP, everybody knows anyway you are playing premiums form there. 
  • Increase the size of your 3bets from the SB and BB so you increase the number of pots you take PF.
  • refine your range to play the easier hands (PPs, suited aces, and premiums) so you etiehr flop the nuts or can lay it down.

I hope this helps, this is generic and I am of the idea that any strategy needs to be adjusted depending on the competition so take it with a grain of salt.

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February 28, 2012 - 12:24 am
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This brings to mind the old joke:

 

patient:  “Hey doc, it hurts when i move my arm this way”

doctor:   “stop moving it that way”

 

Playing OOP is inherently -EV so don’t force the action.  Try to play as much in position as possible and not waste chips in bad situations where you will be OOP.  Don’t play easily dominated stuff, just monsters and stuff you can flop well disguised.  If you do try to make 3 bets from the blinds make it big enough that they can’t easily call just for odds.

I find playing stuff like AT, AJ, KQ OOP is just a recipe for getting river owned or having to fold after putting too much into the pot.

This is basically what I do. I just feel like anyone who was paying attention at all could use this against me. I am a nit oop.

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February 28, 2012 - 12:30 am
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Will post more in depth tommorow.

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February 28, 2012 - 9:25 am
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Diego hit it spot on playing OP. I have had issues playing out of position and even did some hand posts. My OP that I had struggled with is in the Blinds, don't know if that was the direction or you were referring to playing EP. There never is “always” in poker and also the saying “It never is the nuts until the river”. I now find myself in the blinds and will 3 bet. Now the philosophy is, if I can't 3bet the hand or find the line to 3bet, I fold.

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It seems like a lot of my big pots lost in tournaments are from out of position. Specifically the small blind and big blind. Against lower level players i'm only playing value hands and making my sizes significantly bigger than my in position 3 bets. Against regs that's not neccesarily true, but not really important here. I just feel like even when i'm playing straight value hands, i get floated and exploited pretty hard. Maybe I just need to work on my postflop game?

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