Tournament Poker Edge | Learn Poker Strategy | Tournament Poker Training from the Pros - Topic: pioSOLVER

3for3 on pioSOLVER

Mon, 24 Jun 2019 00:37:10 -0400

Yeah, I mean preflop. Postflop the suits will always matter. For example, if I am constructing a limping range for a very passive tournament, I might decide to put black and red aces and kings in the limping range. Another day it might be major/minor, and the 3d day it might be pointed or round.

Foucault on pioSOLVER

Sun, 23 Jun 2019 12:24:11 -0400

The problem isn't that an opponent picks up on and exploits an arbitrarily chosen "bluffing suit", it's that the choice wont' always be arbitrary. If your bluffs on Th Tc 2h are always hearts, then you end up with an overly strong range on heart turns. You need to have hearts (and clubs) in both your raising and calling ranges, or you are going to get into trouble on the boards where those end up being important suits.

3for3 on pioSOLVER

Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:54:28 -0400

I think it would be fine using suits, if you change the order as well. For example, in level 1, your aggression order might be SHDC, level 2 would be HDCS, etc. If an opponent can pick all of that up and use it to exploit you, they are beyond supercomputer levels..

florianm1 on pioSOLVER

Wed, 26 Aug 2015 03:38:47 -0400

hey andrew,

great post. lots of good points.

the way i use it is that i generate some boards like paired boards with high cards (JJ2), paird with low cards (44K), wet boards (8d7dJc), broadway rainbow boards (KQ8r) and so on and try to figure what i should do with my range. Which part it is better to bet and which part it is better to check.

from there i go to CREV and look at the EV based on what i assume how player reacts.

dont think anyone memorize the gto strats go enough

cheers

Foucault on pioSOLVER

Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:59:13 -0400

Getting your frequencies exactly right is not going to be possible, and I think your goal when using tools like this should be to explore the general features of certain types of situations (which types of boards you bet more or less often, when you have a large check-raising range and how it's composed, which kinds of hands tend to be better for betting or checking in various situations, etc.) rather than trying to memorize or implement the exact GTO solutions to various situations. Among other things, there's going to be a margin of error simply based on the starting range you assign to your opponent, so I think trying to balance down to an exact % isn't going to be possible.
That said, yes, some sort of random number generator is the only truly random way to do it. Using suits becomes problematic because you will end up with too many or not enough flushes in some of your ranges on certain runouts, and that is definitely the sort of thing that better players will try to exploit. Likewise, defaulting to always betting because the solution says to bet 60% and check 40% is not a good solution and does not help to balance your c-betting range. In fact, it helps to unbalance both your c-betting range and more problematically your checking range. Will Tipton's Expert Heads Up NLHE is very good on the problems caused by players who default to betting with all of the hands that are indifferent between c-betting and checking and how to exploit them.

florianm1 on pioSOLVER

Tue, 25 Aug 2015 07:05:12 -0400

@Kalculater: what kind of screenshot? i am not too keen on showing my ranges from different positions tbh

@joelshitshow: assassinato on his twich was using two random number generators on his sunday major FT on FTP. one set to 40-150 for bet sizes and the other 1-5 for timing his bets according to the time bank slashes on FTP

@rr_marc: do you always bet the same suits? if so this might be exploitable by really good players.

joelshitshow on pioSOLVER

Mon, 24 Aug 2015 23:49:40 -0400

Harrington in one of his books talked about using the second hand of your watch to make these types of decisions. Funny how quaint it sounds 10 years on.

Kalculater on pioSOLVER

Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:40:18 -0400

florianm1 said:

did only look at couple of spots so far but def going to be nice.

looked up some ranges i made up in flopzilla on my own yesterday.

played me vs me result was is exlpoitable for 0.01% of the pot for EP raise vs BB defend

think together with CREV and Flopzilla this is gonna be great arsenal

Would you mind posting a few screenshots of the scenario you ran?

florianm1 on pioSOLVER

Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:51:50 -0400

did only look at couple of spots so far but def going to be nice.

looked up some ranges i made up in flopzilla on my own yesterday.

played me vs me result was is exlpoitable for 0.01% of the pot for EP raise vs BB defend

think together with CREV and Flopzilla this is gonna be great arsenal

marc alioto on pioSOLVER

Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:16:41 -0400

if its 60-40 im always gonna bet just to help balance my cbetting range. 5050 becomes interesting and what ive been doing is just choosing two suits to always bet. I like the idea of a generator though and would be interested how it goes. Are you loving Pio? its kinda heaven imo

florianm1 on pioSOLVER

Mon, 24 Aug 2015 06:53:17 -0400

Hey nation,

i got myself a copy of pioSolver basic and are currently using it to work on my postflop game.

Question to the once that use it:

how do you deal with the frequencies it gives you.

Lets say for example it says bet AQhh on Xh Jd Yc 60% and check it 40%

How do you decide when to bet and when not to bet?

would it make sense to use something like .....random.org and to generate a random number between 1-100. if the number is between 1-60 you bet and if its between 61-100 you check?

cheers