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        	<title>Shutup Dorn on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Well said sir.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 05:59:26 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>Phoebus on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons I love poker so much is that it's an extension of how you handle yourself in life if you approach it from the right mindset.</p>
<p>We constantly have to manage our own ego, as well as navigate toward our goals with other egos in the way.</p>
<p>If you can tighten up your mindset, you have huge advantages that tactical skills alone cannot give you.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 16 Nov 2013 22:59:27 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>Killingbird on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>GREAT advice!</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:52:10 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>theginger45 on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I got berated at a live table for the first time the other week, too. I laughed it off/ignored it for the most part, but I did do two specific things:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>1. Immediately identify the other player as a fish and adapt my play accordingly. As far as I&#039;m concerned, 99.9% of players who feel the urge to berate anyone at the table have a huge, glaring mental game weakness that indicates they&#039;re almost certainly not professional players. I went out of my way to play pots with this player after getting berated, which only made him more tilted when I kept winning them through simply playing ABC poker. I wasn&#039;t trying to &#039;outplay&#039; him, just applying correct logic and profiting from it, and widening my ranges in certain spots.</p>
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<p>2. Make sure I was nice to him and defused the situation a little. I chit-chatted with him while we weren&#039;t playing hands. I didn&#039;t want him being overly tilted against me, because it might have induced him to start 3betting me a ton or play back at me in response to my always being in hands against him. I didn&#039;t want a weaker player putting me in unnecessary high-variance spots. Note the difference between going out of my way to flat more hands in position and play more pots with the guy, and my reluctance to incite him to be more aggressive against me. I tried to exploit him in the most low-variance way possible.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2013 17:25:02 -0500</pubDate>
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        	<title>ttwist on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I would of bricked off all the chips you had won from him and ask him to tell you about the faces you were making when you were caging him for his chips and actually ask him to do his best impression then flip him a dollar for the show...that would prolly get your table going...Deuchebags are part of the live element they will always rear there ugly heads</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:56:29 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>acesfull44 on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>Shutup Dorn said: </strong></p>
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It sounds like you&#039;re not afraid to self-critique your own game, which is an extremely important attribute for a successful player.<br />
 If you&#039;re confident that you&#039;re playing well, other people&#039;s opinions mean nothing. Keep in mind that $1/$2 heros only feel the need to "coach" you after you beat them. Most of them don&#039;t analyse their own game (why should they - they are awesome!) and therefore, in their minds the only was they can be beat is by someone playing bad &#38; getting lucky.</p>
<p>Most people would tell you to ignore them, but I couldn&#039;t disagree more.</p>
<p>These are the type of players who will spell out for you exactly how they play in every situation - so if you&#039;re confident enough to do it, engage them in conversation. Or if not, at least listen carefully and make mental notes about what they say.</p>
<p>These guys will berate you for making a certain call in a certain spot. Then they will proceed to tell you how they would have played it "better". I always nod intently while getting lectured by these guys. They think they&#039;ve got an audience, so they keep talking.</p>
<p>This is a game of information, and in my experience there are few better targets for information than players who combine poor skills and a big mouth.</p>
<p>Dealing with different personalities is a skill you need to work on, just like the technical aspects of your game. So my advice would be get back on the horse. Sit down at the table again and play your game. If you&#039;ve picked a good game with lots of "live ones" you can expect a few more lectures.</p>
<p>Of course, if you ever feel threatened or intimidated, get up and walk out. Not only is it the best option for your safety, but you would be unlikely to keep playing your best.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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<p>This is SPOT on.  You abviously need to be concerned about you and your game first and formost.  I used to let this bother me a TON even though I was crushing the games.  Some of that may be dictaded by your demeanor at the table.  I go out of my way now to interact with the "rec" players so they feel like they are enjoying their experience at the table as we all know thats why they are there.  You might even go as far as to ask him how he may play the hand differently, just to find out how deep his thought process is if he has one at all.  Bottom line is these are just a few of the things we can continue to absorb in your overall game to continue your inch worm moving forward!  <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" class="sfsmiley" src="/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" alt="smile" /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Wed, 02 Oct 2013 11:52:54 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>florianm1 on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>i actually like to teach people how to play if they think i am better.</p>
<p>TBH i only tell them how to loose their money against me.</p>
<p>but i am a big guy with a big ego at the stakes i play, so i am not a reference.</p>
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<p>generally i d say if you re not felling well with the table talk just sit back and let the idiots do the talking. most of the guys that are berating need an excuse for why they are so bad.</p>
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<p>@loxxi:</p>
<p>shoves seems fine.</p>
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<p>just my two cents</p>
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<p>cheers</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 21:26:51 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>P-aire 146 on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve been the worst player and best player at various tables.  I believe I have an edge at times in certain games and try not to TEACH or say anything about how hands were or are being played at a tbl.   I could careless if someone talks trash.  At times, I might say a few things, but that&#039;s to try and put him/her on tilt.  If someone is talking ot me, I just want to take some/all of their chips.  </p>
<p>I did a podcast on here two yrs ago where I talked about this type of situation.  If you allow your ego to get the better of you, you are going to become spewy.  When you lose your ego, you lose control.  </p>
<p>REMEMBER, let them have the last word, YOU have the last <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline">ACT</span></strong>.  Your act will be taking their chips.  Crush them fools.  </p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2013 12:43:22 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>bennymacca on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>that shove seems completely fine FWIW</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:26:17 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>Carlos on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>I swear this happened to me tonight. I think it was the first time or maybe I just forgot the old ones already.</p>
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<p>I am in a tournament far from the money. I have 15K and pick up A9s in the HJ at 75/400/800. The blinds are going to 100/600/1200 in about 3 minutes. It folds to me and I shove because the table has been pretty flatty and sticky post flop. Button has like 8K and call me with AA. A guy on the other side of the table leans over to his friend and whispers loudly "why the **** would you shove 15K with a trash hand like that?" He goes on and on with his hand over his mouth leaning over talking to this friend and looking over at me and talking about me loud enough for me to hear it. Granted this dude doesn&#039;t know the first thing about poker, but it got under my skin because I have been losing a lot. I stared at him with my shades on for the rest of my time there (3-4 hands) but didnt say a word.</p>
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<p>I knew the shove was not standard, but giving the situation I thought it was my best option. His rant made me think about it and now I am wondering if others would shove there given the looming blind jump and flatty calling stations?</p>
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<p>In order to keep my cool, I had to mentally give myself a TPE trained superiority complex and think "this guy couldnt even begin to explain anything to me about poker that I havent already heard." If I didnt allow myself to feel like a holier than thou asshole, I would have probably entertained his BS.</p>
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<p>Sometimes you have to say shit to them in your head like "Sir, I&#039;m not allowed to talk to drop outs like you." to keep from saying something out loud like "Bitch, come get you some!"</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 27 Sep 2013 01:27:26 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>IceKing on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>likely he was bad, thought he was awesome, and because you owned him in a pot he was threatened and had to try and make himself feel better. </p>
<p>and i think KB is wrong - there are a LOT more douchebags in the general poker population than in general, because in some senses the game is all about ego</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">.....ger_effect</a></p>
<p>Benny hit the nail on the head, In this situaton I usually let my game do the talking but if the person keeps continuing to be a **** I give them the death stare and tell them to shut the @#%! up 🙂 Most jerks crumble when stood up to.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:28:45 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>bennymacca on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>likely he was bad, thought he was awesome, and because you owned him in a pot he was threatened and had to try and make himself feel better. </p>
<p>and i think KB is wrong - there are a LOT more douchebags in the general poker population than in general, because in some senses the game is all about ego</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">.....ger_effect</a></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:49:40 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>shutEMdown on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>There's a lot of wannabes out there... They all think they are pros and they all think that they actually know something about the game when they really don't... Either let it roll off your back and shrug or what I do sometimes I will say something silly like, " i'm just learning the game thanks for the tips." Or ,"What is ur hourly coaching rate?".... Basically just use their offensive berates against them without getting into a pissing contest because these type of people don't want to lose poker arguments.</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:28:17 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>Shutup Dorn on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you're not afraid to self-critique your own game, which is an extremely important attribute for a successful player.<br />
If you're confident that you're playing well, other people's opinions mean nothing. Keep in mind that $1/$2 heros only feel the need to "coach" you after you beat them. Most of them don't analyse their own game (why should they - they are awesome!) and therefore, in their minds the only was they can be beat is by someone playing bad &#38; getting lucky.</p>
<p>Most people would tell you to ignore them, but I couldn't disagree more.</p>
<p>These are the type of players who will spell out for you exactly how they play in every situation - so if you're confident enough to do it, engage them in conversation. Or if not, at least listen carefully and make mental notes about what they say.</p>
<p>These guys will berate you for making a certain call in a certain spot. Then they will proceed to tell you how they would have played it "better". I always nod intently while getting lectured by these guys. They think they've got an audience, so they keep talking.</p>
<p>This is a game of information, and in my experience there are few better targets for information than players who combine poor skills and a big mouth.</p>
<p>Dealing with different personalities is a skill you need to work on, just like the technical aspects of your game. So my advice would be get back on the horse. Sit down at the table again and play your game. If you've picked a good game with lots of "live ones" you can expect a few more lectures. </p>
<p>Of course, if you ever feel threatened or intimidated, get up and walk out. Not only is it the best option for your safety, but you would be unlikely to keep playing your best.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2013 06:00:05 -0400</pubDate>
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        	<title>FatHarryPotter on Getting berated at a table:</title>
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        	        	<description><![CDATA[<p>Exactly....and thinking about it more him berrating you for being bad has the opposite effect. By your own admission you felt affected by what he said so you likely tighened up and left earlier than planned. </p>
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<p>If I have a poor player at the table I want to keep him there! Be nice to him, make him feel comfortable and at ease.....Then take his money whilst smiliing at him like a friend <img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" class="sfsmiley" src="/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" alt="smile" /><img class="spSmiley" style="margin:0" class="sfsmiley" src="/wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-smile.gif" alt="smile" /></p>
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        	        	<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2013 05:03:45 -0400</pubDate>
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