Tournament Poker Edge | Learn Poker Strategy | Tournament Poker Training from the Pros - Topic: Can't get positive ROI in micro stakes https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/ Simple:Press Version 5.7.5.3 Yuuuuuke on Can't get positive ROI in micro stakes https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66658 Poker Goals and Challenges https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66658 Hi All,

Thanks for the replies.  It is nice how people send replies to even a noobie like me:)

So, after receiving the comments I decided to run some statistics on my HM.

 

oelshitshow> How many tournaments are in your database/hand history? If it's not that many yet, it could just be luck.

After about 150 games and 7000 hands (1/1/2016 - 1/26/2016), my ROI% is stable at -40, while my ITM% is 20.  It seems that I place at the bottom of the ITM (4th -7th) a lot.  I may not be playing aggressively enough in the late game and on the bubble.

 

ROI% ITM% 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th
-40.35 18.35 10 2 12 14 13 15 6

 

joelshitshow> Sometimes the toughest part about hand histories is knowing which hands to spend more time on.

mykhalzyruskane> I would go much deeper with the analysis and definitely you should be reviewing way more hands than just 1 or 2 key hands. I review every hand where I put chips into the pot. You will start to see where your leaks are when your review and analysis runs deep.

Thanks for the advice.  Right now I only analyze the hand I busted and maybe 1 or 2 big pots.  This is probably not helping me at all.  But on the other hand I don't want to over-analyze my hands and fall into the noobie trap of result-oriented analysis ("I would've hit the set on the turn if I called the raise", etc).   I guess I need to watch one of those hand analysis videos on TPE.

icantmtt>If you want more play, the 18,27 and 45 man regular sit gos are a good bet.

Thanks for the advice.  I think I am going to play more regular 45 mans so I can get more hands in for the money.

 

icantmtt>Be sure to identify and note regs.

Yes, I should start doing that and utilizing the notes function...

 

icantmtt>Push wider, call tighter

Yup, I think I am calling way too much trying to make Hero calls too often.  I always find myself short stacked during the mid/late stages of the games, so I need to grow some balls and start taking more risks.

 

Also, I decided to take a look at my basic stats based on 7900 hands. 

Total Hands VPIP bb/100 PFR Agg Agg% WTSD% W$SD% W$WSF 3Bet 4Bet Range
7903 21.4 5.42 18.2 4.25 42.1 49.7 47.8 45.9 7.36 5.13
vs 3Bet Call% Flop vs Raise Fold% Flop CBet% Turn CBet% Flop Fold vs Cbet Turn Fold vs Cbet
27.7 61.7 81 55.8 45 40

 

Compared to the data pool shown on the HM website (although the data pool is for 6 max SNG this will have to do), it seems that I am playing too aggressively post flop (agg%, CBet% is all above the optimal median).  Since my showdown percentage is high (WTSD% is above optimal median), I think a lot of people call with anything at these micro stakes and I should probably stop C-betting with completely nothing against certain players.

I wish more can be said from these numbers but that is really beyond my current capability...

Conclusion and Next Steps

  • I'll adjust my game based on everyone's advice (thank you!) and stat analysis.  
  • Since this is a "Goals and Challenges" thread, my current goal will be to make positive ROI in 45 man regular $1 SNGs starting from now untill the end of February.  
  • I should also start doing more analysis but, before I do I want to learn HOW to analyze my play so I don't end up in a "the blind leading the blind" situation (where I am both the leader and the follower).  

Thank you for everyone's comments, and hopefully I'll have the will to keep on updating this thread!

]]> Tue, 26 Jan 2016 09:45:10 -0500 icantmtt on Can't get positive ROI in micro stakes https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66612 Poker Goals and Challenges https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66612 If you like turbos I would focus on $1.5 6 max hypers or 18man turbos and increase your volume a bit.

If you want more play, the 18,27 and 45 man regular sit gos are a good bet.

Be sure to identify and note regs.

Push wider, call tighter

]]> Mon, 25 Jan 2016 02:24:41 -0500 mykhalzyruskane on Can't get positive ROI in micro stakes https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66609 Poker Goals and Challenges https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66609 I would go much deeper with the analysis and definitely you should be reviewing way more hands than just 1 or 2 key hands. I review every hand where I put chips into the pot. You will start to see where your leaks are when your review and analysis runs deep.

]]> Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:30:10 -0500 joelshitshow on Can't get positive ROI in micro stakes https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66602 Poker Goals and Challenges https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66602 How many tournaments are in your database/hand history? If it's not that many yet, it could just be luck.

 

Sometimes the toughest part about hand histories is knowing which hands to spend more time on.

]]> Sun, 24 Jan 2016 19:56:28 -0500 Yuuuuuke on Can't get positive ROI in micro stakes https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66579 Poker Goals and Challenges https://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/forum/poker-goals-and-challenges/cant-get-positive-roi-in-micro-stakes/#p66579 Background

Hi everyone, this is my first post here at TPE.  I started poker about half a year ago and registered to this site about a month ago. Ever since I registered I have been watching videos on this site and playing poker on a daily basis.

Field

50 cents 45-man turbo SNG (2-3 games almost every day)

Strategy

I think I have the same basic strategy as everyone else: play nitty for first 2 levels, loosen up as blinds get higher, and start shoving "Nash" when short stacked.

I usually analyze 1-2 key hands per SNG.  I don't really go crazy with the analysis and try to stick to the very basics (Nash, c-betting, pot size control, etc).

The Problem

I just can't get positive ROI.  I will ITM sometimes, but not frequently enough to make positive ROI.  Money is not really an issue at such a micro stake but I want to become a better poker player and start playing at higher levels.  I know this is a very general question, but what should I be doing to improve my game to get positive ROI at this stake (should I be playing in a different field, analyzing hands more rigorously, etc) ?

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