Yeah, you set yourself up to be shoved on.  At this stage, you should be basically avoiding steal attempts (unless the table is allowing you to steal with these stacks).  You stack is a re-steal stack.  You should be looking for spots to shove over someone else's steal attempts.

Whether you can call here or not depends on the range of the shover.  You need at least 40% to call here.  I would like a small cushion, like 42ish% to be safe.  Against a normalk type range you are not getting enough to call:

…..rategy.com
             Equity    Win       Tie
MP2       38.63% 37.82% 0.81%   { Ad7c }
BU         61.37% 60.56% 0.81%   { 22+, AJs+, KQs, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo+ }

If he has no reads on you since you are opening from MP his range may be a little tighter.  Readless my shove here against a MP raise looks like:

…..rategy.com
             Equity    Win       Tie
MP2       28.28% 27.07% 1.20%   { Ad7c }
BU         71.72% 70.52% 1.20%   { 77+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+ }

However, if you have a loose image, his rnage may be much wider:

…..rategy.com
             Equity    Win       Tie
MP2       44.37% 42.13% 2.24%   { Ad7c }
BU         55.63% 53.39% 2.24%   { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, ATo+, KJo+, JTo }

Against this loose range you are doing ok, but unless you have reason to believe that the player who shoved can make this play and the dynamics have been such that will lead him to make this play, it is mostly a fold.  

ShortStackJack said:

14bb, we should be shoving or folding pre here in most cases. If we are willing to call off, why not just shove first in?

This is incorrect.. Pushbots are dying/going busto in droves due to this flaw in their games. There'’s so much we can do with 17-25bbs tbh, jam/fold is only a part of it. Yes I do frequently r/f 12-18bbs and even incorporate some postflop play. While jam/fold has it's merrits, it's not always optimal and hardly the only option under 20bbs.

Fold a7o pre, AT would be an okay 2x open in most cases. Havent grinded 180s in over a year, so I’m a bit out of touch with current trends.

ShortStackJack said:

 

Common wisdom in MTTs is pretty much that, in general, you should be folding or shoving with under 20bb. So, I'm saying, from this position, with the stacks behind, with 4 players to get through, with NO reads, this is a fold pre.  

 

Jam/fold play under 20bbs is fine. Just keep in mind that conventional wisdom by nature is going to be somewhat outdated. Many shove spots are +ev yet sub optimal.   

bennymacca said:

StrangeFame said:

This is incorrect.. Pushbots are dying/going busto in droves due to this flaw in their games. There''s so much we can do with 17-25bbs tbh, jam/fold is only a part of it. Yes I do frequently r/f 12-18bbs and even incorporate some postflop play. While jam/fold has it's merrits, it's not always optimal and hardly the only option under 20bbs.

give me an example of postflop play  with 14bb, because i honestly cant think of one. maybe a stop and go but everyone sees through that these days and just snaps off with ace high.

cbet flop – it depnds
check behind flop – it depnds
shove flop – depends
flat – it depnds
stop n go ^
c/f fold ^

If everyone sees through this (they don't), just switch it up and pick spots where we want them snapping us w/ace high. rail some hsmtt action, if you don't think ppl are doing this effectively you're not paying enough attention