View Plans & Pricing

If you are signed in and are seeing this message, please be sure you have selected a user name in My Profile. The forum requires it.
A A A
Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 Topic Rating: 0 (0 votes) 
sp_TopicIcon
Top set on 4 card straight board, overbet shove river, brazillian pro, etc.
jacobsharktank
Florida
Playing The Prelims
Members
Forum Posts: 547
Member Since:
December 24, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
September 10, 2014 - 10:23 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

This is a few hours from the end of the final flight of the shrpo $560 1 million guarantee. We're at 500/1000/100 and have a very easy table. Our only annoying spot is a competent player to my immediate left. She does a lot of pot size betting with strong hands and bluffs, especially when stacks were a bit deeper. I spent a lot of time actively trying to figure out what her normal game was, because I don't know any tournament players that use this bet size as the forefront of their strategy. When I picked up chips, she started to leave me alone, and would routinely let me steal her button or cutoff.

She isn't even the relevant villain, but I wanted to give as much info on my table as possible. Most of my table are just loose passive, check/foldy type opponents. This has become especially apparent as stacks have dropped to ~40bb's effective.

Revelant villain is a young Brazillian player covered in 888 poker patches. He and I have not played any pots together, but have routinely acknowledged through eye contact that we knew what the other was doing. I find this happens a lot in live poker, particularly when funny lollivepoker situations comes up. He made a good, albeit simple fold with QQ/KK on an ATx flop that went multiways earlier, and had noticed a flop 3bet I made against a player in the blinds earlier. The table agreed I had AK (I did not), and he and I both laughed about it.

He started opening in early position at 400/800/100 into the blinds (I would be in the cut off, the other good player would be on the button). After a hand went to the river involving him and the big blind, I told the big blind he would probably stop raising his blind if he played more hands. I don't know how to measure this, but I thought this was a good attempt at getting the pro to either slow down on that particular player's blind, allowing me to once again steal from this position without the player adjusting to my own opens. My strategy for my table composition was to ultimately avoid playing pots with the good pro, and 4bet at my first opportunity vs the good player to my left, until she slowed down. My open spots were the hijack, cutoff, and button. 

 

Brazillian Pro (53900) 53.9bb

seat 9

seat 1

Hero (75900) 75.9bb

Good Player (39900) 39.9bb

Good Spot (24400) 24.4bb (SB)

Good spot (38900) 38.9bb (BB)

seat 7

 

BP opens to 2300, folds to myself in the cutoff with JdJs. My strategy for this table doesn't include me doing a lot of flatting in this spot, though I was prepared to start doing it if BP didn't slow down in the next few orbits. I 3bet to 5100, folds back to BP who thinks for maybe 2 seconds and calls. Because we're still deep, I think he's continuing to all 3bets of this size, be it 4bets or calls. (He's getting 3.46:1, spr to a call is 3.8) I think his range here is amazingly wide. I thought something at the time like (22+, broadway, 76s-86s, 97s-87s, T8s-98s, J9s-T9s, and suited Ax) I think he'd 4bet as a default with at least KK/AA.

 

flop (12600) Jh Td 7d

BP checks, I bet 6100, BP calls.

 

turn (24800) Jh Td 7d 8s

BP checks, I check.

 

river (24800) Jh Td 7d 8s 2s

BP shoves 42700. Hero ??

 

I can't figure out how to hide my comments so I'm going to just leave my decision and thoughts out of the post in case a discussion gets going.  What the hell do I do when I have QQ+ here??

jacobsharktank
Florida
Playing The Prelims
Members
Forum Posts: 547
Member Since:
December 24, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
September 10, 2014 - 10:26 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

I think flop and turn are easy decisions, but I'm open if anyone wants to comment on betting the turn. I just don't see a point to it. I sort of think it's unlikely I have a 9 in my range, and villain may/may not know this, but probably doesn't think I have one, and would then bluff the turn. But he has 9's in his range, so I think the decision becomes more difficult as his check/raise on the turn wouldn't need to be a shove and accomplishes the same thing.

Douggyfr3sh
High Stakes Shark
Members
Forum Posts: 181
Member Since:
December 11, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
September 10, 2014 - 11:05 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

Quick criticism on the turn analysis- if you think villain is going to bluff raise when you bet turn then you should definitely bet turn.  If you're saying he should be likely to LEAD turn with a bluff and the fact that he doesn't means it's more likely he has a 9 then fine with the check back and you are probably more likely to induce river spazz when you check back turn.

ezbuttontime
Guppy
Forum Posts: 5
Member Since:
May 7, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
September 11, 2014 - 12:39 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory
0
jacobsharktank
Florida
Playing The Prelims
Members
Forum Posts: 547
Member Since:
December 24, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
September 11, 2014 - 12:41 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print
0

I was saying because I don't have a 9 in my range too often, he can check/raise bluff that spot alongside check/raise his 9s. So I'm not sure. Because I don't know what he'd do, I think this is just a turn card that requires a check back with my entire range. Since I don't have many 9's, he'd be more likely to bluff lead the river, and I imagine he'd do the same sizing with his bluffs as well as his straights.

redvulture61
Midstakes Master
Members
Forum Posts: 124
Member Since:
June 1, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
September 14, 2014 - 11:48 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory
0

I can't see myself calling this river its a spot where his range advantage is far greater than yours and their is not much you can really do about it if he is bluffing an optimal freequency. I think if the river was a Diamond it would be a snap fold.  I would really like to try and gauge a live read in this situation but if that's not possible you would need to fold. Yeah it is hard for your opponent to have a 9 in this situation, but you have really no 9s in your range and he does have some. And yes, i agree with you when you say you should be checking back your entire range on the turn to prevent yourself from getting indiscriminately shoved on.  Also, from my expirence people are very unlikely to run bluffs on people who have them covered and can elimate them this is especially true for live poker. Having said that,  even if you  fold you will still have over 60bbs and will still be in a great potision. You are far from pot commited but this spot does suck really hard though because you are pretty much at the top of your range. 

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 2780

Currently Online:
15 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

bennymacca: 2616

Foucault: 2067

folding_aces_pre_yo: 1133

praetor: 1033

theginger45: 924

P-aire 146: 832

Turbulence: 768

The Riceman: 731

duggs: 591

florianm1: 588

Newest Members:

alexalex2015

oneout2many

JLPicard

Jackarmi

WSOPstar2B

LuckyEva

Forum Stats:

Groups: 4

Forums: 24

Topics: 12705

Posts: 75003

 

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 1063

Members: 11988

Moderators: 2

Admins: 5

Administrators: RonFezBuddy, Killingbird, Tournament Poker Edge Staff, ttwist, Carlos

Moderators: sitelock, sitelock_1