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CCuster911 $60 Freezout Hand History Review by Marc “aznAllin007” Alioto (Part 1)
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duggs
I really dont love the comparison between suited aces and small pocket pairs for a few reasons. AJs will flop less equity more often that sets, but when sets flop equity they absolutely crush on most boards where as flopping a draw when deep we are really just going to have to play it reasonably passively v an UTG range for implied odds.
duggs
love the flop call with AJs as played
duggs
11min, why would we want to cbet that flop?
duggs
strongly disagree that playing 1 table you play worse than 4 unless you have no self control.
duggs
AQo 44min, if we are c/r to make our range look fos, would we bet all our air like 1/4-1/3 pot on turn? then we can snap off a jam
Doctor Orange
I play 4 tables way better than 1 table. I feel the brain is like a muscle. The muscle only recruits as many fibers as are necessary to lift a certain weight. The more weight, the more muscle is recruited. If we are playing more tables our brain is firing on a higher level and we can make better decisions and remain focused. Of course there is a threshold. At a certain point we can lift too much weight, or play too many tables. It’s just a matter of balance and what works for you.
marc alioto
When I am deep in an mtt I am so much better if I am just focused on 1 table. I think this changes for each individual as different people have higher levels of ADD. I just feel when I am consumed with 1 table I notice timing tells and different sizing patterns. I also can use my HUD way more if I am 1 tabling, giving me more information to exploit my opponents.
CCuster 911
That statement was 100% personal, for me when I play 1 table, although I win at a much higher winrate than when I am multiabling 10+, I tend to get to FPSy in a lot of spots. I tend to start seeing ghosts so to speak, in that I will think I am picking up hints in a players play that signals he is weak or strong or whatever, that may or may not actually be there. SO for me at 3-4 tables I tend to avoid making those FPSy spew mistakes but can still keep eyes on all the action and understand table flow.
But this shouldnt be the case, it just happens to be(or maybe not, maybe my winrate is actually higher at 1 table and I dont know)how I feel in regards to my play. I reckon for most people ROI is optimized at 1 table.
CCuster 911
The AQo hand wasnt a c/r as we are in position. I flat pre, then raise small on the flop. If I were bluffing in this spot I would want to have a hand like KQ/KJ so if he has 88/99/tt type hands and calls my raise I have direct outs. If I were bluffing and got to this turn, I would probably shove.
That said I wouldnt raise this flop that often as a bluff, although def mix some in there. I would be more likely to float this flop as a bluff, as most of my aces are not going to be comfortable raising for value(hence why I did it, cause I have an underrepped ace in AQ which I fully expect him to think I 3 bet pre a good % of the time). SO I would float the flop, and depending on turn and my hand would check or bet turn.
CCuster 911
Simply put, on boards liek this, although our bet isnt getting a whole lot of value from worse(KT/K9s QJ/QTs type hands may give us a street), we get to keep aggression and set up the ability to get him off weak aces, which majority of his range that are ahead of us is. We are also are rarely in bad shape, not many players have AK in their range here, although should, and the only other hands we worry about are KQ/A5/55. There also isnt much room for us to allow him to catch up on an AKx board, as most hands are either drawing to a gut shot to a straight or a set. So our show down value is sort of moot.
The only times I really want to be checking this board are when I am playing someone that is bluff heavy, and even then, I am not a huge fan of check calling as its going to get hard to call down if he grabs his balls and tries to triple barrel.
CCuster 911
I think Marc’s intention with that was more-so that AJhh that deep has a lot of potential for big hands, very similar to sets. Although often times we may have the best hand, we are not going to be getting value without hitting.
Also in your analysis I think you underestimate how well AJ suited type hands can play as a bluff compared to small pocket pairs. With AJs we can play both ranges rather easily, we can play 347 type flops as if we are set mining, but if he has an overpair we often times have 6 outs or at least 3 outs. Assuming we can avoid getting in big pots with a bare pair of aces, we should be able to take down the pot against an UTG player quite often, plenty enough to justify calling.
duggs
yea im fine with calling, I just think that the comparison is wrong since we have to play them fundamentally differently post flop against a strong pre ante UTG range with deep stacks.
duggs
i like the reasoning, except if we are never checking back our air on the turn, doesnt betting induce more bluff catching/spew than checking back?
CCuster 911
Are you referring to my bluffs on the turn when floating flop or raising flop?
I assume you mean raising flop as that is the spot where I said I would shove turn. I bet this turn because of my understanding of phatcat and our history, which is a lot, although he doesnt know its me playing as luckyleah I dont think. I expect him to call that flop a lot, so if I do it as a bluff, its so shove turn(I guess half pot/fold works, but that feels filthy b/f’ing half our stack on turn).
JIMMERZZZ
Can definitely relate to what Marc is saying.The last tourny i reg every night has been by far my most profitable .Game flow is definitely a factor which is underrated in mtt poker and when playing lots of tables ones ability to read into this game flow diminishes.
duggs
I mean as played, given we have a value hand, would he expect us to b/f all our air and therefore we get more value betting turn than checking?
CCuster 911
Yea, my read is that he expects me to bet as value and check as a bluff, so in my range I want to reverse those two things, by checking my value and betting as a bluff. Since we are not that deep(just over pot sized on the turn left iirc) we can get away with this.
CCuster 911
Forgot to include in last post and dont know how to edit. I dont think he expects me to bluff turn that often, its not really something I can expect to get folds(but with this logic I obviously should expect to get folds since he think its mostly value). This hand is an good example of reg v reg metagame in that I do the opposite of what I perceive his expectations to be. He either thinks I am bluffing and will call or thinks im value towning him and will fold, there’s very little close spots in his situation.
TiltedEV
I actually agree with cody on this. Maybe I just have no self control.
barberluck
I’m wired the same way as Cody. This is also relevant for HUD’s. When I first started using a hud it really had a detrimental affect on my game. I suspect this reasoning is relevant to a lot of players with ‘no self control.’
redvulture61
I cant stand the merge network.