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January 29, 2014
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Has anyone got/read Chris Moormans book yet? Wondering if anyone is able to recommend it?
Sounds like it's a HH review type book, which appeals considering how much I feel I got from Winning Tournaments One Hand At A Time, I just get slightly put off by headlines like 'The most important poker book since Super System'
November 28, 2012
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I listened to his interview with Jared Tendler. His co author “semi serious” player who plays hands that CM then reviews. Gotta be worth a read at very least but I’m hoping for much more.
November 4, 2013
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I've heard really good reviews for it, but my local store has yet to bring it into stock. I guess I could check and see if it's available digitally, but I like real books.
January 29, 2014
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It's on Amazon OneTime. I've put it on my wishlist for family to get me for christmas (It beats the constant 'what do you want for christmas' questions!)
Now they think I've gone all religious…
January 28, 2013
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Have not received from Amazon as yet. Highly looking forward to it though
January 16, 2014
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This is by far the best tittled poker book of all time. I rank it right up there with Oscar Goodman's biography “Of Rats and Men”.
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August 25, 2012
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Pre-ordered this book when it was announced. Received it recently and was not disappointed. I'm only a little way through so far, but as someone who's played a fair amount of hands online with Moorman, the book is a big eye opener and I think it will be incredibly useful for a lot of intermediate-level players. It's all explained very clearly and the format makes everything particularly accessible.
November 4, 2013
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Very much enjoying this book after just 40 pages. I do have two questions already. Here’s the first one, from the very first hand.
Pokerstars Supernova, early stages, 25/50 blinds. Hero is in SB with 9,625 in stack with JdAc. Villain is MP1 with 8,800 stack. (All other stacks are similar except the CO has 19400 and Utg+1 has 325 but they don’t get involved.
2 folds, MP1 raises to 150, 4 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.
Pot = 350
Flop: JcKd4h
Hero checks, MP1 bets 300, Hero calls.
Pot = 950
Turn: Qc
Hero checks, MP1 bets 500, Hero folds.
My question is about the commentary to follow.
In it, Byron, who played the hand says “it feels like his flop bet (being on the large side) might have been an attempt to push me out of the pot, whereas this turn bet (a more standard size) feels like an attempt to generate value.” This is part of his argument for folding.
But when it’s Chris turn, he explains a reasoning for turning this hand into a bluff. He says, “Although this information [his decrease to half pot turn bet] is not enough on its own to determine weakness, the card is a scary one and great for your range, leading me to believe he would size his sets and straights much larger here, as he expects you to rarely fold and he wants to charge you as much as possible to see the river.” And so on.
So obviously Chris is the man, but what do you guys think about these two views? Particularly about their views on the significance of a near pot flop bet followed by a half pot turn bet on a meaningful turn card? I must admit that I didn’t expect Chris to make that statement.
May 1, 2014
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The villain's weak lead on the turn when the J comes off can be raised because it appears that villain knows he should keep the lead, but he doesnt want to put in a bigger bet.
OOP openers often bet big on flop (please fold now because i hate this wet board after I opened!) followed by 1/3 on the turn when they are weak or at the bottom portion of their range WRT the board. Chris is simply saying this is a great card for hero's range and a horrible card for villain given the betting action. Villain should bet bigger on turn with a set… and if he doesnt have a set, he cant call a raise on this board OOP.
Given the action, I would range villain to middle pairs that stabbed once strong, once weak; or AX non-clubs.
February 2, 2013
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I have read some of Chris Moormans book and first impressions are that it is a good book.
It is a pity it is not the same format as Gus Hansen's ” Every hand revealed” but I guess Moorman is too clever to give his game plan away like that.
As regards the first hand discussed above, I would love to see how Chris Moorman would play this hand in reality. I hazard a guess that he would fold on the turn. A 500 turn bet into a 950 chip pot is not a small bet by any means. I would as the hero personally love to have the balls to turn my hand into a bluff on the turn but I would be afraid to. We are so deep here that I could see the villian calling me and also calling a bet on the river. How many of us are going to be able to follow up with a big river bluff? . I am not looking for monsters under the bed but the villian could be holding Ac 10c.
It is a great book for making you think about different lines you can take and should improve the readers game.
I have railed Moorman a few times online and from what I can see about his game in the early stages is that when he is betting, he nearly always has it.
November 4, 2013
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Hand 11:
Pokerstars Quarterly Supernova.
Blinds are 600/1200/120
UTG: 19,415
UTG+1: 27,466
MP1, HERO: 20,851
MP2: 56,524
MP3, VILLAIN: 47,020
CO: 50,577
BTN: 36,422
SB: 16,906
BB: 41,244
Hero holds A
9
2 folds, Hero raises to 2,400, 1 fold, MP3 calls 2,400, 4 folds.
Flop: (7,680) J
92
Hero checks, MP3 bets 3,600, Hero calls 3,600
Turn: (14,880) 8
Hero checks, MP3 bets 9,600, Hero folds.
Byron (Hero) puts villain on a reasonable range but not too strong because he believes MP3 would reraise with AQ+ and 99+. On the flop he says he's not too happy about making a C-bet because if the villain reraises, it will be an awkward spot but he's have to call anyway. Byron chooses to check with the intention of calling because it keeps his range wide and gets value from some bluffs. But when the villain bets the turn it would commits Byron, and since he felt he doesn't look too weak, he believes villain and folds. In retrospect, Byron wonders if he actually just encouraged the villain to be aggressive by underrepping the pair of 9s.
I agree with a lot of Byron's logic and would have found this hand tough to play. Chris agrees with Byron's preflop play and his placement of the villain's range on the flop. He also says that he believes Byron to be ahead of the villain's range on this flop and that he agree's a C-bet is not good. Then he says:
“I'm also not a big fan of the check-call line you ended up taking. You will be putting yourself in too many tricky spots facing a turn bet in which you will commit at least most of your stack. It may also result in your being bluffed off the best hand. I would check-jam all in on the flop. This gains an extra bet from your opponent's air hands that will stab very often here, figuring your are check/folding this wet, reasonably connected board, and will also protect your equity in the hand. You will be behind all JX hands and have to get lucky to survive, but you will be in good shape against hands such as QT, flush draws and even 9X worse kicker, mid pocket pairs that put you on draws that make them feel they are getting the right price to call the all-in. It may help that the villain has a good stack and may risk calling your all in lighter than usual, ..”
What do you make of Chris' commentary? Does it make good sense? I must admit I would not be choosing this line as of today, and Byron also responds by saying he did not think of this.
April 26, 2013
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Interestingly this hand and chris advice left me as curious as you seem now. I forgot about it, but really great that you ask here on the forum.
I thought it is a very unique approach to this difficult to play situation, considering stack sizes it might be good. It is definitly high variance, I guess. But as half of the turn outcomes (K,Q,T,8 and all clubs) puts us in a very akward spot, I believe it may indeed be the optimal play.
If he has a anything better than out pair of 9s: gg ul, if he calls with a draw we have a chance to double, if he takes a stab and folds to our check-shove we gain some nice chips that we clearly need with our shallow stack.
What the pros say, tho?
Edit: If I think about it now, when we open A9 and get this kind of flop and given our low stacksize, I think there is no way we can fold otf, and stacks are to shallow for a multy-street play, so I think this is definitly the best play. Only problem occurs when villain checks back the 50% bad cards will still make it difficult to make the right play OTT.
An other option could be to open rip A9s pre, in a turbo I might be doing this but with almost all my opening range, 55+, A8s+, KTs+, JTs+, KQ, only exception KK, AA and AKs. Any ideas about this approach?
August 28, 2014
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smallcat66 said
pity it is not the same format as Gus Hansen’s ” Every hand revealed” but I guess Moorman is too clever to give his game plan away like that.
This is indeed the reason he invoked for not writing a full MTT strategy book.
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