round, i like the stats you have on yours. does your HUD panel become too long? im trying to customize a small but concise HUD that will fit on small 9-max tables across many tables. im also planning on making a customized 6-max HUD that will have more detailed postflop stats (thanks to the extra room on these tables)

michael,

i like that you have them written down, and i see this with other online grinder friends. id like to use those kind of as training wheels, until i memorize the stats themselves. that extra 2-3 seconds it takes to read them could be very useful when i play 12 tables!

i noted to add Postflop Agg Factor (idk proper acronym yet) to my HUD after watching the part 3 tutorial. seems to be a pretty good indicator if you know how to use it in conjunction with other statistics. however, i think went to showdown and won at showdown are really sketchy with most MTT samples for a few reasons. first, if you play across a wide range of stakes with regs like i do, their went to/won at showdown numbers will likely be vastly different in a $22 vs a $109. with tournaments with more stationy fish, for example, youll likely go to showdown much more often (and win much more often) than you would in a standard 109.  this presents a potential problem when i play with a reg across all stakes all week long, have 2500 hands on him, but cant know if his WTSD W$SD stats came from 109s or 22s or the like.  that said, you also need a TON of hands to make this a viable, significant statistic.  if our focus was on 6m cash or zoom with static stakes, i could see this being more helpful, but in MTTs you go to postflop showdown far less frequently in later stages of the tournament, and thus you need a staggering amount of hands to be relevant. THEN, many of those hands could be from early, deep stack portions of tournaments where reg's strategies are different than say, late game.

cliffs: im in complete agreement with Postflop Agg Factor, but still unconvinced about WTSD W$SD.

i saw you responded with this facet also, so let's talk color coding:

i “like” your guys color coding scheme, but i really like it better if we mix it with Ben Hayles (HEM2 tutorial on TPE) coding.  He makes maniacal stats a purple-pink blend, and it REALLY sticks out to the eye. I also avoid using the red colors, just bc i use the red color tag on stars for really good players, and at those kinds of tables EVERYTHING would be red. magenta or w/e its rightfully called seems to work fine for me.

MrPunty said:

I use PT4 and have a pretty involved HUD. In order to avoid clutter, I have made a lot of customized pop-ups that I consult a lot. For instance, when I click the VPIP number, I get a popup that gives me the limp stats I want: limping frequency, limp/fold, limp/call, limp/raise. My PFR popup compares PFR and Raise First-In by position – I'm used to PFR so use that on the main screen but do consult the Raise First-In stat quite often. My C-Bet popup has call C-Bet IP, Call C-Bet OOP, x/r flop, donk flop, and a couple others. My steal also breaks down by position as I've found a fairly wide gulf between CO and BTN stealing frequencies and averaging them will end up overstating one and understating the other.

I'd be happy to share more specifically what's on the face and in the popups if you or anyone else is interested. I periodically tinker with it and remove stuff I never consult or add things I wish I had.

Punty i'm really glad you posted on here for two reasons:

1. ive recently been taught that RFI is really what people are looking for when they consult PFR. Here's what i mean. if i was taught right, PFR is a cumulation of all preflop raises by the villain (by position, if you like). It neglects whether or not there were limpers, or even whether another person raised beforehand.  the difference may be negligible over a vast sample, but in the short run, there could be a table with a ton of limp/call stations, so the villain elects not to open as much bc he needs to have it to win showdowns.  additionally, the 3b stat can become redundant, because its included already in PFR. obviously, you need to know specifically how much someone is 3betting, but in the case of PFR, you're technically getting it twice. for MY purposes, im often looking at PFR/RFI to answer one question: how often is he opening when its folded to him in x position? I think this stat paints a clearer picture of the information you “really” want.

one caveat: im not satisfied with HEM2 breaking down RFI positions into groups: EP in 9 max = UTG + UTG1 (i think these are fairly different and should be segregated), MP, and then HJ CO BTN etc. UTG stealing is fairly common at high stakes, so i need my HUD that shows me info unique to UTG opens in this situation. i haven't found a clear alternative thus far. still, i think RFI is better than PFR (for my purposes at least).

another caveat: again, i think a mix of set-ups found here and the one Hayles designed is best to tackle this problem. He has something like:

name/# hands/ TOTVPIP / TOTPFR

(another line of stats)

(a third line of stats);

with his TOTVPIP and TOTPFR in larger font than the bottom two lines.  this gives you a great mix of knowing of the type of opponent at first glance, yet getting more indepth answers to the questions posed above if needed. i plan to encorporate this into my HUD fully if I can design it in a way that will have 3 lines yet still fit 9-max multi tabling.

2. i was hoping someone would bring up pop-up configs, because that is in the very near future of features i want to change on my HUD. i like the 2nd edition of my HUD, but admit i need to tweak it quite a bit to make it the efficient stat machine i need it to be when im 12 tabling.  im trying very hard to identify common reasons i am clicking on a pop-up box, and writing these down to make the pop-up design process much easier and ultimately more useful.

can you tell me more about the pop-up boxes you've customized? without consulting my notes, for example, i know that i often click popup boxes for VPIP by position (which im content to keep doing), and to note the number of occurences for a particular stat percentage (“wow, 100% fold to cbet? *clicks box* oh, just one.”)

so i've started designing my HUD in earnest, and here is what i have so far (many many thanks to those who contributed, i blatantly stole from a few of you!)

<opponent name>, (hands), TOTVPIP, TOTPFR, #BB

EP_RFI/MP_RFI/TOT_STEAL/TOT3B/TOT_FOLD3B/4B

FLOPCB/FOLDCB/TURNBET/FOLDTURNBET/POSTAGGFACTOR

top line bigger font for TOTVPIP and TOTPFR and BB. gives you a good overview of basic info: who your opponent is, how relevant are these stats going to be, whats the first glance impression of his play, how much can i hope to accomplish vs his stack depth?

second line begins to tell more of a story: okay, i know his PFR, whats his RFI range look like? how does he perform vs 3b? planning on having a pop up for 3b that shows some squeeze stats…

still tinkering with what my postflop stats need to be, and i also think my preflop stats need some work. pop-up boxes next…