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jonmon101
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November 9, 2016 - 2:34 pm
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Looking for some thoughts on this spot;

 

I have Ac7c utg1 9 handed game

I start hand with around 1,000 everyone else has roughly the same or more.

I open to 20$

5 players call (2-3 very loose players, other 2 a little more reasonable) I think all 5 had position on me, but may have been 4.

 

Flop comes JcTc8h. What should we be doing here with this hand?

 

My thoughts; betting and getting raised seems not fun. Betting and getting called in multiple spots by ppl that have position on me is okay but not that awesome. This seems like a board where perhaps I shouldn’t even have a cbetting range w this many players seeing the flop. The other players can have made straights here and I dont really ever have a straight here.

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November 9, 2016 - 6:29 pm
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I think you have to bet the flop. The fact that you won’t have straights is actually all the more reason to bet, because this will be one of the better hands for continuing to a raise. If it’s true that you’ll be unhappy about it (in other words, that the EV of not-folding will be small), then you also won’t get raised that often. Even with so many people seeing the flop, the chances aren’t THAT good that anyone has a monster hand, especially as hands as strong as two-pair might not get raised. The more often you get raised, the more you’re getting raised by weak hands, which increases the value of continuing.

Another way to think about it is this: your hand is way too good to check-fold. Your range is too weak to check-raise (this is the most significant implication of the your being capped here). So your options are check-call or bet. Wouldn’t you rather bet and take whatever fold equity you can get?

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November 9, 2016 - 6:31 pm
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Oh, wanted to add, betting and getting called in multiple spots is fine/good. I think mostly you don’t like it because it means you won’t often win the pot, which is true, but it gives you the potential to make the nuts in a very large pot and it means you will be getting good odds on your money.

Also this is generally a hand I’ll raise UTG when this deep, especially vs passive opponents who won’t 3-bet much, but I don’t think it’s mandatory. If you aren’t going to be comfortable playing this close-to-best-case-scenario flop against multiple opponents, I think folding pre-flop is fine.

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