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Bovada 5NL Zone Poker All-in on flop decision
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May 11, 2015 - 5:25 am
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I was playing some $0.02/$0.05 6max Zone Poker on Bovada and came across an aggressive opponent. I'm still very new so I'm looking for feedback on how I handled this situation.

 

Hero with 199bb in Cutoff with KhQs. Open raises to $0.15

Villian with 106bb on Button. 3bets to $0.52 (pot sized raise)

Blinds fold.

Hero calls.

Pot is now $1.11. Effective stack size 96bb ($4.79)

 

Flop is 5cQd9d

Hero checks.

Villain bets $0.42

Hero raises to $1.50

Villain shoves all-in making it $4.79

 

Bovada has anonymous players, and Zone poker (equivalent to Zoom poker on Stars) is new opponents each table, so no specific reads on the villain here. I do have a sort of general popluation read for this session in that I was encountering a lot of 3 bets when I was rasing from late position. The pool at this time was ~30 players. So there were a few aggressive players who were attacking blind steals and general weak raises. I was also seeing a good amount of aggression on flops, with people tending to settle down a bit on the turn/river, which seems typical for microstakes here.

 

One read I made here was the use of the pot button for 3-betting, which I was seeing consistently every time from preflop 3 betters. If this was my first hand of the session, I would have likely folded, as 3betting is not so common in general at these stakes. I was seeing so much of it this session that I felt one or more players was 3betting to try and exploit players tendency to just fold and move on preflop in zone poker. It's possible it was just 1 player, given a lot of players tendency to have a very tight 3 betting range, and with the smallish pool size I could have been running into the same player repeatedly, especially if they were 2 tabling (max for a particular zone poker pool).

 

On the flop, given my preflop read and his small bet sizing, my first thought was that he likely whiffed this flop and was just c-betting. I raise here to put him to the test. Once he goes all, based on my previous read I put him on something like broadway cards that missed entirely, top pair, some sort of straight or flush draw or a pocket pair. Without this read, against an unknown opponent at these stakes, I would have folded. Here I felt like I was beating enough of his range to consider calling here.

 

Is this logic reasonable or am I just trying to talk myself into paying villain off with a bad call? Thoughts on my preflop call and raise on the flop?

 

(Will post results later)

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May 11, 2015 - 7:55 am
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Well the logic appears reasonable but if you take a stand against an aggressive 3bettor I would rather do this IP and with a hand thats not as easily dominated as KQo. OOP Id rather 4bet if I think villain is 3betting light and go from there.

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Most of the time here the villain has the nut flush draw. Possibly even AdQd giving him high showdown value even if he misses the flush. He usually doesn’t do this with trips because of the flush draw on the board. I don’t call here with just Q pair off suit. Your hand is almost never getting better than it already is barring just a couple outs. Betting sizes in micro cash games can be really weird and it’s tough to get a read on hands based off this info especially if you have no experience with him. That being said, if this buyin is a very small portion of your bankroll and your gut really says he’s bluffing I’m not going to tell you it’s wrong to rumble here and go for the call.

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Whoops just realized the Qd is already on the board. Still see the nut flush draw here most of the time with AdXd basically saying you’ll fold any hand you missed with and if called by a decent hand he can still crush it with one diamond on either the turn or river.

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Thank you for the responses. The more I thought about it the less I liked my line overall, both preflop and on the flop.

 

I ended up calling and villain showed JhJs for a weaker pair with no flush draw. Turn and River were 6dKd and I ended up winning the pot. For a brief moment I felt smart, but as I started to think about it I felt pretty sure that I made a mistake and just got lucky to run into someone overplaying a weaker pocket pair. I've been working on not paying off big bets in bad spots, and I made this post partly to force myself to talk through why I made the call here.

 

Despite my “read” there's a still a reasonable chance that this is any typical player from the zone pool that has a 3bet range that consists mostly of hands that dominate me. The odds that this is actually a light 3bet are probably not as good as I made them out to be. Also, this is a different situation than someone defending a steal from the blinds, as I am out of position as Fire pointed out. The line I ended up liking most is just folding preflop.

 

On the flop, I think I overestimated how many hands I'm beating are part of his range. At this point I think I should have just called and looked to see a showdown cheaply, perhaps planning on calling uninproved one more reasonably sized bet but getting out if he overbets the turn or barrels the river. This is a pretty bad spot to be willing to get stacks in. This line is my second choice now.

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I think your call preflop is fine.

 

I wouldnt be check/raising the flop with his hand against what should be a stronger range for villain (due to the 3bet). Its also bad if you dont know what to do when the villain shoves your check/raise in this spot, therefore i think you should be calling the cbet. We should be trying to get to the river as cheaply as possible on most runouts

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Kalculater said:

I think your call preflop is fine.

 

I wouldnt be check/raising the flop with his hand against what should be a stronger range for villain (due to the 3bet). Its also bad if you dont know what to do when the villain shoves your check/raise in this spot, therefore i think you should be calling the cbet. We should be trying to get to the river as cheaply as possible on most runouts

Mostly agree with Kalc, though I'd probably fold pre. KQs is a call though.

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