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KQo vs aggressive SB
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Ok getting back into the live cash games.  After going out to Vegas for the WSOP and meeting with all of the pros at the TPE meetup, I realized I had to start focusing more of my effort on live cash games.  I had dreams of becoming exclusively live tournament pro, but after talking with many professionals who haven't had a real job in a decade, they set me straight: the life of a live tournament grinder is extremely difficult.  Long flights, travel expenses, never seeing your family.  That doesn't fit into my plans to get married and have a balanced life.  They universally said, “Focus most of your energy on live cash, and take your shot at the tournaments.  Cash games are your milk, where you know you can sit down at the table and make $50 an hour.  It's true you may win 20k at a $200 tournament, but that happens very rarely.”

 

They are right.  After looking over my MTT results over the last 6 years, I've made anywhere from 2.5k – 10k per year.  But if you take out my 2 best cashes in any of those years, I am a losing player.  Variance in the mtts is unreal!  Thank you Tim, Joe, and Andrew!  Cheers!

 

Ok on to the hand.  I was at my local casino in a 2/3 NL game $300 cap.  I had a tight image, was not playing many hands at all.  The Villian had been very loose aggressive, stealing blinds, defending his blinds, and I would estimate he was playing 40% of his hands.  Villian and I both had about $250.  I pick up KclubQspade in MP, and raise to $11 (my standard open from this position).  Folds to the SB who calls.  BB folds.  HU to the flop.

 

Pot – $25

Adiamond Kheart 3club

Villian checks, I bet $22.  Villian calls.

Trying to range him before the flop was almost imposible, because I had seen him defend with as little as 85s.  But from the SB I think he would be a bit tighter, and now that the flop has come and he check-called my cbet I would put him on something like this:

Ax (I think he would check call a weak ace), Kx, QJ, JT, and pairs 88 and below.  (I think he would have 3bet me pf w/ 99+)

 

Pot – $64 (minus the $5 rake)

Turn:  8spade

 

Villian checks, I check behind.

 

At this point I'm putting him on the same range, anything from a small pp to a weak ace that just wants to get to showdown.

 

River:  5heart

 

Villian checks,  Hero ???

 

I'm not sure if I can bet for value here?  I was afraid if I bet he would check-raise me off my hand (I saw him do this before to another player), and I thought he would fold almost everything except an ace or he might call w/ a weaker King.

 

Thanks for the replies!

 

~Steve

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I'm just ck flop to pot control/induce bluffs. It is kind of a transparent line and you will be doing a lot of guessing on future streets, but I mean I don't think we want him to just ck/f his random suited connectors etc. and if he does have a worse king getting value from that won't be all too difficult. As played, on river I guess you could bet like $20 and hope for a crying call from wose Kx or like 99-JJ or something pretty close between that and a ck back imo

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I hope I didn't give you the impression you can make $50/hour playing 2/3 NL…

As for the hand, a river check-raise would be the least of my concerns. When you say you saw the player do it before, what do you mean? He showed a bluff? I think you'll very rarely see this as a bluff at these stakes. The more passive V is, the more likely you should be to check. I'd err on the side of betting, though, as V really ought to 3bet better Ax preflop and bet a lot of his Ax on the river. Given how loose you seem to think V will be preflop on the flop, it sounds like he could get to the river with quite a lot, so if you can't bet KQ for value, then you ought to be able to bluff all of your air. Would you bet here as a bluff?

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LOL no you didn't give me the impression I could make $50 an hour playing 2/3NL.  I was paraphrasing what one of the other pros said about making money playing cash vs playing mtts.  Much easier to calculate your hourly rate, and a lot less variance.  What do you think a good hourly rate is for 2/3NL?  $25 an hour?  How about 3/5NL (they have 3/5NL w/ $600 max buy in at my casino)?

 

When the player did a river check raise before, he followed the same pattern w/ another player.  He called a pfr, then check-called the flop, ck ck turn, ck raised the river.  The other player folded so I never saw if it was a bluff or not.

 

Given how loose you seem to think V will be preflop on the flop, it sounds like he could get to the river with quite a lot, so if you can't bet KQ for value, then you ought to be able to bluff all of your air. Would you bet here as a bluff?

 

I don't understand what you mean by the italisized part of the quote … could you say it a different way?  As far as would I bet here as a bluff … maybe I'm thinking about this in the wrong way, but if I thought he had a marginal hand, and I had air, and I was pretty sure he would fold, then yeah I would bet as a bluff.

 

Thanks  smile

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I believe Andrew is saying if you can’t bet KQ for value(he folds all hands worse) then you should be bluffing with all of your air because his range should consist of a lot of hands he would fold to a river bet.

I think you should be able to bet this river for value. It’s a very dry board so it’s hard for him to have a hand that would be check raising for value. If I think he is capable of bluffing I may even bet call just because he can’t really depend on you to bet river so he should be leading most of his value hands. I would lean towards a half pot bet on the river.

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Ok thanks.  I felt like I missed some value here.

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