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$2,000 6-Max Set on the flop.
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July 26, 2019 - 7:31 am
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Game Hand #81112760 – Tournament #10991046 – Holdem(No Limit) – Level 30 (5000.00/10000.00)- 2019/07/22 02:38:05 UTC
Table ‘256’ 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: SamuelM (229249.00)
Seat 2: Maniac1130 (1385665.00)
Seat 3: helixium1 (47580.00)
Seat 4: Failboatcpt (559282.00)
Seat 5: AkALuckbox (373182.00)
Seat 6: BensieDET (205860.00)
SamuelM posts ante 1250.00
Maniac1130 posts ante 1250.00
helixium1 posts ante 1250.00
Failboatcpt posts ante 1250.00
AkALuckbox posts ante 1250.00
BensieDET posts ante 1250.00
BensieDET posts the small blind 5000.00
SamuelM posts the big blind 10000.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Main pot 7500.00
Dealt to Maniac1130 [5h 5d]
Maniac1130 raises 20000.00 to 20000.00
helixium1 folds
Failboatcpt calls 20000.00
AkALuckbox raises 70000.00 to 70000.00
BensieDET folds
SamuelM folds
Maniac1130 calls 50000.00
Failboatcpt calls 50000.00
*** FLOP *** [5s Qs Kd]
Main pot 232500.00
Maniac1130 checks
Failboatcpt checks
AkALuckbox bets 58125.00
Maniac1130 raises 186250.00 to 186250.00
Failboatcpt folds
AkALuckbox folds
Uncalled bet (128125.00) returned to Maniac1130
Maniac1130 does not show
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 348750.00
Board [5s Qs Kd]
Seat 1: SamuelM (big blind) folded on the Pre-Flop
Seat 2: Maniac1130 did not show and won 348750.00
Seat 3: helixium1 folded on the Pre-Flop and did not bet
Seat 4: Failboatcpt folded on the Flop
Seat 5: AkALuckbox (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: BensieDET (small blind) folded on the Pre-Flop

I don’t have much info on Luckbox. Failboatcpt has been a pain in my side. He’s very loose and very aggressive. Given how wet the board is, it makes me think raising here is best. Is there any merit to check/calling and taking a different approach?

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Faitboat probably 3B pre with QQ or KK, so we most likely ahead of him in the flop. He reaches flop with some FD, OESD, KQ, Kx, Qx, under-pairs.

Once Luckbox bets we have 2 options. Call and raise. Let’s look at calling option first.

So we call. Then Faitboat probably folds or (as he is aggressive) most likely shove, just a little bit overbeting. If Luckbos folds we are happily calling since we are way ahead. If Luckbox over-shoves I think we are still calling. We might be not too much dog against his range here and even if we loose we will often have nice cash back from Faitboat.

If Faitboat folds we play poker in next streets, disguising our hand strength and keeping all Luckboxes bluffs in his range. 

Now when we raise we are going to miss all blufs from both players and when called we might be against much tighter range (sets, 2P, combo draws). And agaisnt this range we are flipping.

 

Per above I start thinking that call looks much better here…

 

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Interestingly, when I was reading the hand my instinct was to do exactly what you did, to raise. And when I was writing my reply and thinking more carefully I came up to opposite opinion. I guess I have some aggression instinct yelling something “do not mess with me” or something, which is fully opposite from what we want in poker table. When I am strong, come and mess with me.

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I don’t think raising bottom set multi-way is ever a mistake. When more players see the flop, it’s more likely that someone has caught enough of a piece to continue vs our raise. Although we don’t need to worry much about losing to draws when we flop this strong, we do want to consider turn cards that make it harder for one-pair type hands to play for stacks. Not the most dynamic board, but any Broadway card is a potential scare card, in addition to the spades.

I really hate slowplaying here because we are OOP and will see the turn check through somewhat frequently, allowing our opponents to fully realize their equity without paying for it (and also get away cheaply from missed draws). If we had absolute position, or at least position on the PFA, I like flatting a lot more and would probably advocate for it since the shallow SPR doesn’t require us to start building a pot now in order to get stacks in the middle. Acting after the PFA allows us to ensure there aren’t any free river cards if they slow down.

It’s always painful to flop so hard and see everyone snap fold to our raise, but I think it’s by far the best way to play our hand. I also like your sizing, I would want to go smaller (or just shove) if the only effective stack was LuckBox but I like sizing up since we are deeper with the other player.

My only concern is preflop, your open size is unusually large (you’re between 27 and 75bb effective with the table), which makes it especially awkward to call a 3bet OOP with a low pocket pair. <–  Edit: Misread the hand history, thought BB was 7500, not 10k. 

I slightly prefer folding 55 vs. a 50bb stack’s 3bet, but it’s probably fine and a small mistake at worst. IMO, you played this hand great.

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