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September 4, 2018
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the bb is a splashy player so i m not concerned about his call. i think that the open raiser ip deep and with good odds is calling his entire range (except the 4bet with monsters). he s opening 33% in co and has a 50% flop fold to cbet( in 3 bet pot too) and his turn bet when missed it s only 20% so far.
so what s the best line to take on that turn? ***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars) Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 23, 01:11:33 ET 2018 Table 2406570884 2 (Real Money) Seat 9 is the button Seat 1: Hero ( 3100 ) - SB 100 BB Seat 3: Player3 (3160) -BB 100 BB VPIP: 35, PFR: 23, 3B: 11,FCB 60 Hands: 416 Seat 4: Player4 ( 3000 ) - Seat 5: Player5 ( 2800 ) - Seat 6: Player6 ( 3049 ) - Seat 7: Player7 ( 2821 ) - Seat 8: Player8 ( 3050 ) -CO 100BB VPIP: 24, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 2,0, Hands:4K Seat 9: Player9 ( 2950 ) - Hero posts small blind [15]. Player3 posts big blind [30]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Hero [ Js Jh ] Player4 folds Player5 folds Player6 folds Player7 folds Player8 raises [90] Player9 folds Hero raises [285] Player3 calls [270] Player8 calls [210] ** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 3h, 6d ] Hero bets [450] Player3 folds Player8 calls [450] ** Dealing Turn ** [ As ] Hero checks Player8 bets [774] Hero folds Player8 wins 774 Player8 wins 1800 from main pot
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December 6, 2012
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Good question. I like betting, and if I’m getting pot size right, your sizing (40ish %) is good. This is a card that is MUCH better for your range than for Villain’s, so much so that he really doesn’t have much incentive to call a sizable bet with anything less than an A. And you want to be able to make thin bets like this one for value/protection, which is less desirable for a bigger size. You could probably even go a touch smaller than you did, but this is good. Obviously you fold to a raise and check most rivers.
FWIW I don’t agree that V *should* never-fold, though it’s plausible that he will. Easily dominated hands without much nut potential, like KTo, probably aren’t profitable calls for him despite the odds.
September 3, 2018
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Foucault said
Good question. I like betting, and if I’m getting pot size right, your sizing (40ish %) is good. This is a card that is MUCH better for your range than for Villain’s, so much so that he really doesn’t have much incentive to call a sizable bet with anything less than an A. And you want to be able to make thin bets like this one for value/protection, which is less desirable for a bigger size. You could probably even go a touch smaller than you did, but this is good. Obviously you fold to a raise and check most rivers.FWIW I don’t agree that V *should* never-fold, though it’s plausible that he will. Easily dominated hands without much nut potential, like KTo, probably aren’t profitable calls for him despite the odds.
Foucault, I am confused by your comment. You write, “your sizing (40ish%) is good. …” But hero did not bet 40ish% on the turn. If I am reading this right, hero checked and villain bet 40ish% on the turn. Can you clarify?
November 28, 2015
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Yes, villain made river 43% pot-sized bet.
I think Andrew is saying that hero should fire (on the turn) between 25-33%, aiming smaller (43% ish is still good size) to keep in only Ax type hands and then folding to raises. because of the fact that strong Aces (AJ,AQ,AK) should be in his sb 3-bet range. The sizing of the turn bet (if hero were the one to make the bet) would be perfect to keep in worse Aces if villain were floating the flop, and also to protect heros range. That’s the way I am understanding this.
September 4, 2018
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Maniackid11 said
Yes, villain made river 43% pot-sized bet.I think Andrew is saying that hero should fire (on the turn) between 25-33%, aiming smaller (43% ish is still good size) to keep in only Ax type hands and then folding to raises. because of the fact that strong Aces (AJ,AQ,AK) should be in his sb 3-bet range. The sizing of the turn bet (if hero were the one to make the bet) would be perfect to keep in worse Aces if villain were floating the flop, and also to protect heros range. That’s the way I am understanding this.
i guess it’s like you said.for andrew the best option should be to bet between 33% and 45% on the turn to xfold most rivers
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December 6, 2012
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Sorry I misread, thought Hero was IP. That makes it tougher. Pretty close I guess between betting small and check-calling. I wouldn’t check-fold, especially not to a bet of this size, as I think V can bet worse for value. River is going to be tricky. If I check-called turn, I’d probably check-fold. If I bet turn, I think you just have to evaluate based on the card and the best size. I don’t think it’s a clear fold.
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