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A few late game scenarios fush/fold advice needed...

lainie1072

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May 17, 2010 - 2:55 pm

The following hands occured in last night’s 4.40 with 2700 people…

70 left, about 45th in chips, 15k below average…. Push or fold?

PokerStars Game #44203624363: Tournament #270882198, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXV (2000/4000) - 2010/05/16 22:24:56 ET
Table '270882198 70' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: ARGENDOUGLY (186444 in chips) 
Seat 2: gizmocem (19743 in chips) 
Seat 3: DeepSeaFishi (48629 in chips) 
Seat 5: TALLTEXMEX (121082 in chips) 
Seat 6: lainie1072 (97382 in chips) 
Seat 7: tzommy (106469 in chips) 
Seat 8: quesad (262246 in chips) 
Seat 9: saky1968 (434263 in chips) 
ARGENDOUGLY: posts the ante 500
gizmocem: posts the ante 500
DeepSeaFishi: posts the ante 500
TALLTEXMEX: posts the ante 500
lainie1072: posts the ante 500
tzommy: posts the ante 500
quesad: posts the ante 500
saky1968: posts the ante 500
DeepSeaFishi: posts small blind 2000
TALLTEXMEX: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lainie1072 [Kd Qd] UTG...  SHOVE OR FOLD??





A few hands later, now down to about 62 people and I am sitting about 50th...

PokerStars Game #44203768071: Tournament #270882198, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (2500/5000) - 2010/05/16 22:29:35 ET
Table '270882198 70' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: ARGENDOUGLY (200319 in chips) 
Seat 2: gizmocem (54111 in chips) 
Seat 3: DeepSeaFishi (43004 in chips) 
Seat 5: TALLTEXMEX (115957 in chips) 
Seat 6: lainie1072 (86257 in chips) 
Seat 7: tzommy (107844 in chips) 
Seat 8: quesad (245628 in chips) 
Seat 9: saky1968 (423138 in chips) 
ARGENDOUGLY: posts the ante 625
gizmocem: posts the ante 625
DeepSeaFishi: posts the ante 625
TALLTEXMEX: posts the ante 625
lainie1072: posts the ante 625
tzommy: posts the ante 625
quesad: posts the ante 625
saky1968: posts the ante 625
ARGENDOUGLY: posts small blind 2500
gizmocem: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lainie1072 [3d 3c]

DeepSeaFishi: folds 
TALLTEXMEX: calls 5000
lainie1072: ??? SHOVE OR FOLD?

Tex Mex had, on multiple instances on the last few orbits, limp/folded.

bigdogpckt5s

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May 17, 2010 - 3:20 pm

Ok hand A you should open there. Its def not a shove through the whole table with this many bbs. I would open and If I had to fold depending on action. Not sure its profitable to shove 23 or 24 bigs through the whole table with K hi. Hand 2 is a snap shove for me. Especially given the dyanamic that the limper has already showed he is willing to limp and fold. I def shove hand 2 and I do not open shove hand 1.

lainie1072

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May 17, 2010 - 3:56 pm

bigdogpckt5s said:

Ok hand A you should open there. Its def not a shove through the whole table with this many bbs. I would open and If I had to fold depending on action. Not sure its profitable to shove 23 or 24 bigs through the whole table with K hi. Hand 2 is a snap shove for me. Especially given the dyanamic that the limper has already showed he is willing to limp and fold. I def shove hand 2 and I do not open shove hand 1.

Thanks for the quick reply big dog…

Lets take Hand A now… At what stack size with KQs there are you open shoving? Also, you say I should open there… What hands are you opening to a raise there utg? Obviously, my call range is read/stack dependent, but what is my opening range?

Hagbard Celine

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May 17, 2010 - 9:28 pm

i do agree that i prefer an open to a shove in hand 1. although in a $4 mtt, maybe its just a fold. i think it depends a lot on your table and what you’ve been doing and what your image is. in general, though, i’d minraise and see what happens behind. but for the record KQs is a +EV shove there. i’d probably start shoving it with around 15-18BB. idk it depends a lot on the table.

hand 2 i think is a fold. even without the limper i’m not shoving 33 from UTG+2. add to that the fact that players like this love to limp/call with small to medium sized pairs and we have 33 i just don’t like the spot. it’s a hand that any hand has good equit against. the only hands we are happy to see are A2/A3/22, and even most of those have 30%.

i’d wait for a spot where there are fewer people to get through to open shove, and with your stack would still be looking for spots to resteal.

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