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February 2, 2013
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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em – Thursday, April 11, 07:31:44 ET 2013
Table 715010674 128 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $5236.00 USD ) – VPIP: 10, PFR: 8, 3B: 3, AF: NaN, Hands: 71
Seat 2: Player2 ( $5476.00 USD ) – VPIP: 8, PFR: 8, 3B: 12, AF: NaN, Hands: 60
Seat 3: Player3 ( $60033.00 USD ) – VPIP: 11, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 37
Seat 4: Player4 ( $25360.00 USD ) – VPIP: 20, PFR: 17, 3B: 10, AF: Infinity, Hands: 92
Seat 5: Player5 ( $23217.00 USD ) – VPIP: 14, PFR: 11, 3B: 4, AF: 4.0, Hands: 44
Seat 6: Player6 ( $23793.00 USD ) – VPIP: 28, PFR: 24, 3B: 17, AF: Infinity, Hands: 71
Seat 7: Hero ( $31898.00 USD ) – VPIP: 22, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 1.2, Hands: 218
Seat 8: Player8 ( $9457.00 USD ) – VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: Infinity, Hands: 77
Seat 9: Player9 ( $19843.00 USD ) – VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 15, AF: 1.3, Hands: 56
Player1 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player2 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player3 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player4 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player5 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player6 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Hero posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player8 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Player9 posts ante of [$70.00 USD].
Hero posts small blind [$300.00 USD].
Player8 posts big blind [$600.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ad As ]
Player9 raises [$1266.00 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Player3 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 folds
Player6 folds
Hero raises [$2100.00 USD]
Player8 folds
Player9 calls [$1134.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 8c, 2d ]
Hero bets [$3000.00 USD]
Player9 calls [$3000.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
Hero checks
Player9 bets [$4282.00 USD]
Hero calls [$4282.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
Hero checks
Player9 bets [$10091.00 USD]
Hero ?
I was cruising along nicely in this tourney with an above average stack. There were about 300 players left with 216 been paid.
The Villian seemed a competent player and I put him on a good hand when he raised utg. Was it a mistake to raise as small as I did when I have to play out of position?. I would now think that it would be better to raise bigger or maybe even push all in as if he has KK, QQ, JJ or AK, he probably is calling a shove.
What do ye think guys?. Feel free to crititize my play in the rest of the hand as well.
June 26, 2012
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Pre he is calling 11 to win 45. You are out of pos with AA. UTG raises he has some kind of hand. Good hand that is. Put more chips in pre. I would make it about 3300 to 3600. Makes it easier to get stacks in later in the hand. Also with the bigger raise he might shove on you here. Strange things happen when people think you are trying to push them off pots. If he has QQ here you just have to pay him. Pretty sure you have the winning hand here. Just call to see.
March 8, 2013
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I agree with wyldeyed preflop. As played, you can't take AQ out of your opponent's range, and I can definitely see him playing this way with AK, JJ, TT, 99 some percentage of the time. So while I think it's might be a little optimistic to say “pretty sure you have the winning hand,” I would be confident saying you have the winning hand well over 33% of the time, so therefore I agree it's an easy call.
February 2, 2013
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Thanks guys. When I made the pre flop 3 bet I said to myself ' oh no I didn't raise enough. Villian is getting good odds to call and now I can't narrow his range as much as i would like. When he calls on the flop, I check the turn to try and keep the pot small.
July 3, 2010
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When he bets the turn like half his stack is in the middle now, or close to it.
I feel like we can probably just get it in here and feel really good about it.
Also, I'd 3 bet bigger pre.
January 31, 2013
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As played:
preflop:
– raise bigger, like 3482ish (2.7x) because u are OOP.
flop:
– lead 4600-4700'ish and call 3bet
turn:
– Jam
March 8, 2013
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Yeah, didn't comment before, but I think your worst mistake is on the turn. There are two flush draws and you are ahead a huge majority of the time. If villain checks turn, don't you just vomit in your mouth?
February 2, 2013
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No, i was hoping he would check as I was afraid of a set
March 8, 2013
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He could have a set, yes. But he could also KQ diamonds and you are giving him a free look at 14 outs. I think the important factor here is that if he has a set, he can get stacks in with two bets, he doesn't need your help. Unless you plan on folding all rivers (except an A), I don't see how checking loses you any less money against a set. If anything, you could bet turn and fold to a jam, as I think a turn jam over your bet is a set much more often than as played.
Not that I advocating bet/folding the turn, I just think it's the play to make if your goal is to save money against sets.
Does your HUD have fold to cbet stats? I'd love to be able to guess whether he's floating with hands like QK no diamond, QK one diamond, etc. It could give us a much better idea of how often he has a set after the flop action.
February 2, 2013
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Very good point mark about if he has a set that he is getting in all his chips by the river no matter how much I try and control the pot. Again you are right that I should bet turn as when I check he might sense weakness.
I only have 56 hands on him and his fold to C bet was 0. His C bet was 33%.
Ok I called as I would have a 20bb stack left.
He had 33 for a set.
Whatever he put me on , he was confident of having me beat so i don't think i should have called him on the river. The flush draw completing should have helped me to get away.
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December 6, 2012
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smallcat66 said:
Very good point mark about if he has a set that he is getting in all his chips by the river no matter how much I try and control the pot. Again you are right that I should bet turn as when I check he might sense weakness.
I only have 56 hands on him and his fold to C bet was 0. His C bet was 33%.
Ok I called as I would have a 20bb stack left.
He had 33 for a set.
Whatever he put me on , he was confident of having me beat so i don't think i should have called him on the river. The flush draw completing should have helped me to get away.
I agree with your post-facto analysis here. FWIW I think you should definitely 3bet larger, as others have said, and probably bet-fold the turn. It's hard to pot control from OOP in general, and especially when the stacks are shallow anyway. You have to make a decision about whether or not you're going to commit to the hand. If you are, then there's no sense in trying to save money when you're beat – just focus on stringing along as many worse hands as you can.
Also the number of bbs you'll have left if you call or lose is rarely a significant factor in choosing the right play. Focus more on putting your opponent on a range and then determine how your hand stacks up against that range. Losing 17 BBs sucks whether you have 100 or 40, or 17, as does folding the best hand in a large pot.
Sounds like you learned a lot from this hand, and that's something to be proud of. In the long run whatever equity you lost here will be inconsequential to you, but if you learn to play Aces better in these common spots, that will continue to make you money throughout your career.
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