johnnyballer1 said:

i think the only hand that has us beat here is j10. … Check behind is the play for me.

Huh?

A “nice pot” is not a good reason to pass up on value, and getting more value is the reason why you should be willing to risk stacking off to a monster. If a river bet would be worth, let's say, 3000 in EV (factoring in the risk of losing to better some % of the time) then you are losing 3000 chips by not betting as surely as you would by making a bad call or a bad bluff or anything else you could do to lose 3000 chips. It would be a bad check that cost you 3000 chips. 

I'm not saying that's the case here, I just don't think your reasons for not wanting to bet add up.

I'm surprised no one has suggested betting less than all-in. I think Hero probably has the best hand, and the real concern is how often worse will call you, considering the real risk of running into better. One of the best ways to convince your opponent to call with a kind of weak hand is to give him good odds. So if you don't think he'll call a shove with AJ, then don't shove. Bet 3000 or something, whatever you think he will call.

ATrainBoston said:

You should consider that most opponents, even real good players, don't usually checkraise this river vs. any size bet unless they are ahead. Against all but true sicko great players, you could bet something small like 2200 on the river and fold to a raise, they won't raise much at all as a bluff.

Yeah I really am not worried about getting check-raised on the river either as a bluff or for value by a worse hand. I could see bet-folding even getting somethign like 8:1. I don't think it will come up very often. IMO an unwarranted fear of a check-raise causes people to lose a lot of value on rivers.

johnnyballer1 said:

@foucalt- i did mention making a river bet without jamming. Also, im saying that j10  is the only hand that make sense based on the way the hand played out. I understand he could have literally anything but based on the way the hand played and assuming he is not a total idiot,  a j10 hand make the only sense to me as hands that have us beat.

I got that, but I don't see why that leads you to conclude Hero should check behind. If it's nearly impossible for Villain to be ahead, why wouldn't you bet?

Melanocetidae said:

Isn't there a side pot on this (2,5k or so)? and does that change our way/villains way of thinking/playing the hand? if so, how? Should we try and get max FE against calling villain, or do we still try and extract some river value as per Andrews line?

The sidepot means that Villain and Hero are functionally fighting over a somewhat smaller pot (ie all of the side pot plus only some portion of the main pot), so Hero should be bluffing somewhat less and Villain calling somewhat less frequently. That's all theoretical, though – in practice many players aren't good at taking that into consideration, especially when it comes to modifying their calling ranges.

Why would you try to make Villain fold?

What was the reference to FE? I took it to mean “fold equity?”

Sure, 76 is possible, but I doubt he'd show up Qh Jh or any other random two hearts. If you're not sure why that is, look over the hand again and take the opportunity to practice your hand reading. I think there's a point where you can exclude most hh hands from his range.

My fault, Qh Jh was a bad example ;-). What I meant is that most hh hands wouldn't call the flop, since the second heart didn't come until the turn. Unless he had either a pair or an OESD to go along with the hearts, in which case he isn't folding anyway, he probably wouldn't call flop with, say, 9h 8h.