Not sure what the villain would be bet folding on the turn so I dont particularly like the check raise.

I think i would have cbet slightly larger here and continue on the turn in an attempt to fold out alot of mid pocket pairs and random hands with a 6 in them. We do have some equity when called, two overs and the flush draw, unfortunately our range is becoming more and more narrow in the eyes of the villain.

Also if the villain is one tabling here look for timing tells on the flop, if they call so quick that they never think of raising its unlikely they have two overs and a FL draw. 

pettman18 said:

Not sure what the villain would be bet folding on the turn so I dont particularly like the check raise.

 

I think i would have cbet slightly larger here and continue on the turn in an attempt to fold out alot of mid pocket pairs and random hands with a 6 in them. We do have some equity when called, two overs and the flush draw, unfortunately our range is becoming more and more narrow in the eyes of the villain.

 

Also if the villain is one tabling here look for timing tells on the flop, if they call so quick that they never think of raising its unlikely they have two overs and a FL draw. 

really doubt we fold pairs 1010-77 with a slightly larger flop bet.  our range isnt all that narrow on the turn, but having a narrow range is fine since we are in EP with our stack size having a narrow value range on this board is fine since its believable, i think thats why check/shoving turn works because he will stab with anything he floated us with as he expects us to be just giving up on our overcards alot of the time.

Coolers could you expand on your reasoning please? 

Do you decide to 3barrel irrespective of the turn and river cards on the flop?

or is this based on this particular flop and villain?

Also benny i prob bet/bet/bet this if i dont turn a fd,

and prob check/fold when i miss on river if he checks turn behind

its hard to determine how often villian will actually bet this turn tho. If he checks behind and you brick the river your ****ed. Since you dont have a made hand your better off just barrelling the turn to an amount that looks like your committed. By betting the turn it also protects your range and keeps a lot more hands in your range (overpairs, sets, top pair, two pair). If he flats the turn i would shove any river regardless if you hit and expect him to fold more so than you would imagine.

The turn makes the board quite greasy and if he had a set / 2 pair etc i dont think he would hesitate to ship it in then.

Villain’s preflop range is the key determinant here – if he’s any good which he might be with those stats, he’s going to have a pretty tight preflop flatting range with us being in EP on 27bb effective and some reshove stacks behind. If we also have an aggro image he’s probably 3b/calling 99+/AQ+ at worst vs us, maybe even 88 or AJ, so we’re looking at a range of stuff like 55-88, AJs, KQs, maybe QJs or JTs as well or other suited broadway combos. We block KQss/KJss/KTss which is good, and the Js being out there means JTss/QJss/AJss are also blocked. There is also a non-zero possibility of him slowplaying KK/AA with the reshove stacks behind, but I think that’s unlikely in this case as we have blockers and the reshove stacks could still shove over his 3bet.

He probably calls flop with most of this range – I doubt he’d float us too much on this stack size, so it’s fairly safe to assume that he folds KQ/unpaired broadways and most low pairs. There are almost no spade combos in his range as we can see from above – he would most likely 3bet AQss and he can’t have anything including the Ks or Js, so that basically leaves QTss and T9ss as the only possible spade combos. He could have Axss I guess, but that would be pretty speculative and he’d 3bet most suited ace hands here anyway if he was going to play them.

That leaves the remainder of his flop calling range as 55, 77, 88, Jx and sets. Obviously on the turn he bets his sets and probably his Jx hands, and maybe other hands too if he doesn’t have a spade. I think we can be pretty confident he’ll bet most of his range on the turn, which makes a check/shove from us a pretty good idea considering how tough it is for him to call even with Jx.

Given the possibility of him checking back midpairs/jacks on the turn giving us a chance to hit either of our overcards or a spade on the river, I think I really like a check/shove here. As I mentioned before, villain can almost never have a flush, and it’s much easier for us to have one if we have a fairly aggressive image. It would be pretty spewy of villain to just b/c any Jx here, and if he doesn’t have AJ or a set he’ll find it really tough to call our c/jam.

but dont mind a triple-barrel approach either…you fire the turn, YOU HAVE TO FIRE RIVER no matter what imo. Check-shove approach gives us a chance to check/fold on river after one barrel if he checks behind the turn(not saying we are always checking depending on what river card is)and leaves us a decent stack of roughly 23 BB in worst case scenario of having to fold. This is good board to double-barrel though imo.

FkCoolers said:

duggs said:

Coolers could you expand on your reasoning please? 

Do you decide to 3barrel irrespective of the turn and river cards on the flop?

or is this based on this particular flop and villain?

 

Also benny i prob bet/bet/bet this if i dont turn a fd,

and prob check/fold when i miss on river if he checks turn behind

Sure – as someone else stated, I'm not sure what villain will bet and then fold on the Turn. We probably walk straight into a set, flush, or good Jx at that point. 

It's one of those hands where you fire the flop because, well, that's what we do. When you pick up more equity on the Turn it's a good chance to fire again. Sure, Jx continues a lot but you fold out a lot of bullshit midpairs and stuff that floated and didn't improve. On the river I pretty much do fire no matter what comes, unless it's a Jack. A spade in all liklihood gives us the best hand as does an Ace or a King. A blank allows us to continue to represent an overpair or TPTK. 

So, my response was more based around the board texture than the villain since the only reads we have on villain is that he has pretty reggish preflop stats and we know nothing about his postflop tendencies. 

Basically I'm in agreement with what pettman wrote and didn't see his post the first time around when I replied because I try not to be influenced by previous answers. 

This is a really good hand to discuss, btw. 

so coolers? is check/shove only ever appropriate when they will bet with close to 100% of their range when checked to on any given street? ( this question is based around if i have an active or agg image and people are then more likely to float me and make plays at my pots.) also do we balance this with value hands when we think he will stab so much?