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AQo in 2nd hand of a Step 3

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March 13, 2012 - 1:35 pm

Poker Stars $75+$7 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

dxu1987 (CO): t1500 75 BBs
dirty.brasil (BTN): t1490 74.50 BBs
Alan266 (SB): t1480 74 BBs
Hero (BB): t1500 75 BBs
ozshyyy (UTG): t1530 76.50 BBs
dvutavr (UTG+1): t1500 75 BBs
GottaTakeIt (UTG+2): t1500 75 BBs
matattacks11 (MP1): t1500 75 BBs
RomaFresh (MP2): t1500 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with Q of spades A of diamonds
1 fold, dvutavr raises to t50, 2 folds, RomaFresh calls t50, 3 folds, Hero…

This being the 2nd hand of a non-turbo step 3 I am not too sure what to do with this Q spade A diamond . These generally play extremley tight for the first couple levels and I have zero information on the villians. I considered all 3 options in my thought process. Looking for some feedback on this hand. Thanks!

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March 13, 2012 - 2:03 pm

I just flat here. Don't want to blow up a pot oop preante… If you 3bet and brick flop, after cbetting and get called you lose way too many chips for no reason. Just take a flop here and hopefully nail it. You are right play is tight in these and if you 3bet oop your hand looks super strong preante but disguised if u flat.

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March 13, 2012 - 2:08 pm

I do just flat… Then we take this flop.

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Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with Q of spades A of diamonds
1 fold, dvutavr raises to t50, 2 folds, RomaFresh calls t50, 3 folds, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t160) J of spades T of diamonds Q of hearts (3 players)

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March 13, 2012 - 2:13 pm

check and call OR cbet as long as the other player doesnt 2bet… reevaluating on the turn.

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March 13, 2012 - 2:20 pm

I like how I seemed to play this hand the same way you would have, as I check and call when the 3rd player in the pot folds to UTG+1's c-bet. We then see a turn of…

Poker Stars $75+$7 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 9 players
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Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with Q of spades A of diamonds
1 fold, dvutavr raises to t50, 2 folds, RomaFresh calls t50, 3 folds, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t160) J of spades T of diamonds Q of hearts (3 players)
Hero checks, dvutavr bets t120, RomaFresh folds, Hero calls t120

Turn: (t400) 2 of diamonds (2 players)

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March 13, 2012 - 2:28 pm

I would've played it the same exactly so far. River?

Gimicio

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March 13, 2012 - 3:00 pm

Just curious what people would do on this turn with the pot being $400 and your oop. This is the street I think I played differently from most people and just want to know what they would have done before I post the action on the turn.

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March 13, 2012 - 6:18 pm

I think I c/c here again, or if it checks through then bet riv for value

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March 14, 2012 - 1:51 pm

On the turn I deciced to fire $210 into $400 to try and polarize his range. I did not want to c/c both the turn and river so I choose to bet the turn to gauge the strength of his hand. I thought that only a better hand could raise me in this spot and if I did get raised I would release my hand. He is did raise my $210 to $520 total and I folded. I think I might lose less this way as oppesed to c/c both the turn and river. Thoughts…

Poker Stars $75+$7 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t10/t20 Blinds – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

dxu1987 (CO): t1500 75 BBs
dirty.brasil (BTN): t1490 74.50 BBs
Alan266 (SB): t1480 74 BBs
Hero (BB): t1500 75 BBs
ozshyyy (UTG): t1530 76.50 BBs
dvutavr (UTG+1): t1500 75 BBs
GottaTakeIt (UTG+2): t1500 75 BBs
matattacks11 (MP1): t1500 75 BBs
RomaFresh (MP2): t1500 75 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with Q of spades A of diamonds
1 fold, dvutavr raises to t50, 2 folds, RomaFresh calls t50, 3 folds, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t160) J of spades T of diamonds Q of hearts (3 players)
Hero checks, dvutavr bets t120, RomaFresh folds, Hero calls t120

Turn: (t400) 2 of diamonds (2 players)
Hero bets t210, dvutavr raises to t520, Hero folds

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March 14, 2012 - 2:37 pm

I like your line on the turn, but I usually just C-C as you suggested. the reason is that it allows for bluffs and for the same price you get to see the river which could bring 4 Ks, 2 Qs or even 3 Aces that could put you ahead to win the pot. of course you proceed with caution and usually the sizing on the river tells you a lot about the strength of the villains hand in such wet boards, as it is unusual they bluff big here IMO.

If you bet the turn the worst hands all fold and much better hands all raise, What hands do you see calling? the only thing I see calling you are better hands and posssibly some big draws (and you have the Ace of diamond so there are less of those) like KQ diamond , I think you might even make a hand like AJ fold instead of checking or raising you with your bet.

yes the decision OTR might be a hard one but if you simply don't feel comfortable just either check fold turn or fold river and it would have costed you the same but with the chance to draw to the nuts or close to the nuts.

All that said, I tend to overplay these hands a lot confused embarassed , especially when for example when I have TT on similar flops

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March 14, 2012 - 9:39 pm

i play pre and flop exactly how u have

turn lead is interesting – i think in the steps it's a good plan b/c as you said you polarise his range. its highly unlikely that villain bluffs >1/3 of his stack this early b/c any1 with half a brain knows how important chip preservation is in SnGs like this

this would be the defining aspect for me if i lead turn.. whether or not villain could raise a worse hand (essentially bluffing)

that said i would prob c/c turn again and c/f river if he triple barrelled

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March 15, 2012 - 11:32 am

Thanks for the feedback guys. I did end up winning a Step 4.

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March 15, 2012 - 12:46 pm

On turn I think check/call because as stated above you still can beat other 2 pairs river the nuts etc… Don't overly love leading turn because guy can still own you in position even by clicking it back puts you in a tough spot when you may still have the best hand. I doubt you are ever leading turn with the nuts in this spot. Now if the river bricks, I bet 1/4-1/3 pot as a blocker/value… He can only really re-raise with a straight here or maybe a set but I doubt it so you can easily fold river. I would like to see marc alito answer here as he knows a lot about satty strategy.

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March 15, 2012 - 6:16 pm

Danny how would you go about this hand if we had position here on a wet board? Are we still pot controlling, as far as slowing down on the turn, or 2 barrel and check the river with Showdown?

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March 15, 2012 - 10:33 pm

Would folding pre-flop be way too nitty? I was also considering that as well… I am just not a huge fan of playing a muti-way pot with this hand in EP.

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