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January 10, 2017
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I am part of a poker league, we have 18 players and we play 15 tourneys and send 4 to the WSOP at the end of the season using a points system. The majority of them are recreational players, some regular players at the casino, and a few strong players. We all know each other’s tendencies for the most part. We had just condnenced to one table and were 10 handed with the blinds at 500/1000. I have approx 60k and raise the button to 2500 with AQos. The Sb is somewhat tight, but tends to play his pocket pairs and big hands very strong. He 3 bets to 6k with 15k behind. It folds back to me. Giving him a slightly tight range I believe my equity is approximately the same as the pot odds I have to call. I am pretty sure jamming isn’t good as I don’t believe I have much, if any, fold equity. Talked this over with a couple of friends and they said my decision to call was awful given his range and the fact that I wouldn’t have the ability to realize my equity often. Just curious to get feedback from others.
November 28, 2015
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Just curious, how does the point system work? Do you get 1 point for 10th place 2 points for 9th and so on? And this is the FT of this tournament? How many points do you have currently? and how many more tournaments are there for this season?
If I am reading this correctly, we are 21bb effective.
So your friends are saying that it was awful to call because they prefer you fold, raise? What did they suggest you do? Unless you have a super good read on the villain I don’t hate your decision to play this hand at all.
It’s button vs SB. You could call a 21bb shove profitably with AQo against the SB so IMO I think folding is the worst option. I don’t hate calling, I think calling is fine. Yes, we will be dominated some of the time, but it’s not like your tournament life is at risk. If we don’t flop well, and the villain is showing aggression on multiple streets (depending on how many you plan to see) we can always fold. If the flop is Ace high, we are only losing to AA and AK, and since we have an Ace, there’s only 1 combo of AA. I think playing this hand is fine.
September 3, 2018
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I agree with what Maniackid wrote. You call and if you flop an ace, it seems to me that villain has more hands that you beat than hands that you lose to. And if he barrels multiple streets then you may feel you are beat, but I am certainly not scared to see a flop.
One thing I would ask is, you say he plays his pocket pairs and big hands very strong. Are you saying he plays any pocket pair strong? Or are you saying he only plays certain pocket pairs strong? If it is the latter, what is the range of pocket pairs that he plays strong? That could have a bearing on my response.
January 10, 2017
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They put villain on a range of JJ+, I have played with him a bit more and I put him on 99+. They both felt it was a clear fold. The flop ended up being A109 rainbow and he jammed. I called and got it in bad vs AK, but got lucky with runner runner clubs and I won with a flush.
September 3, 2018
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TightlyWound said
They put villain on a range of JJ+, I have played with him a bit more and I put him on 99+. They both felt it was a clear fold. The flop ended up being A109 rainbow and he jammed. I called and got it in bad vs AK, but got lucky with runner runner clubs and I won with a flush.
Get me in a game with a player to my left who will only 3bet JJ+ please. That seems like too narrow a range, although I obviously don’t know the guy. But I find it hard to believe that he would not 3 bet with TT or 99 after a button raise. What’s he going to do with TT or 99, fold and wait for a better hand that may never come? Or just call your open preflop and then not know what to do/fold when Broadway cards hit? ? Seems hard to believe.
If you got it all in preflop it’s a cooler AK vs AQ. But you showed restraint and just called. Folding AQs button open vs. SB 3bet seems pretty exploitable. I am good with calling the three bet. Then you flop an ace with second best kicker. Again, folding to his jam when you have him well covered seems really exploitable in the long run. Even if you lose the hand you still have a bunch of chips, and there are just as many hands in his range (KK, QQ, JJ, maybe AJ) that you beat than there are that beat you (AA, AK, plus the open to debate as to whether he’d play TT, 99).
I think in the long run folding to his preflop 3bet when you have AQ is bad. The fact that it is AQ suited gives the added equity (relevant as we see in this run out) that makes it even more of a call preflop in my opinion. I disagree with your friends who are second guessing you. I think they are being too results oriented (this one time it was AQs vs. AK). I think you played it fine.
September 3, 2018
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One thing I am confused about as I study this a bit more. In your original post you said you had AQo. Then you said it was a rainbow flop, but you hit runner-runner clubs for the flush, which would then mean your AQ was suited. Which is it?
January 10, 2017
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It ran out four clubs so I mispoke when I I said it was a rainbow flop. I did have a back door flush draw after the flop.
January 10, 2017
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Fwiw, I was defending my play and it was my friends claiming that flatting with AQ was bad. I agree with you that if I’m going to fold AQ in that spot I am going to be exploited.
January 10, 2017
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I think even a reasonably tight player’s range here gives me equity of just over 47%. I included AJs and AJo, as well as KQs and KQo and pairs down to 99. I think the primary reason we differ Is the fact that my friend is putting him on a range that is just a bit too narrow.
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