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Absolute Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t3000/t6000 Blinds + t600 – 8 players
DONKSTAR55 (BB): BB = 34.4, t206100
BIGMIKEKW (UTG): BB = 40.8, t244815
ROTOJUNKIE (UTG+1): BB = 32.9, t197564
TREYDOG_213 (MP1): BB = 22.1, t132674
ARLENSPECTER (MP2): BB = 16.8, t101025
BULLDOG0604 (CO): BB = 22.1, t132483
JASONS1974 (BTN): BB = 15.4, t92130
HERO (SB): BB = 14.8, t88709
Pre Flop: (t13800) HERO is SB with T
A
7 folds
JASON1974 is all-in for 92130.
Its the final table of an AP 10 dollar bounty tourney. I'm in the small blind with the shortest stack. It folds around to the button, who has the second shortest stack; he shoves about 15 big blinds. Do I call my whole stack or fold with ATs in the small blind?
Shover is typical player, maybe a little loose passive. I've had a tight agressive image. Big blind is tight, but not overly so. Also, table overall is tightish, but not overly so.
Also, I'd like to hear your general thoughts about calling off your whole stack at a final table. I think I usually know when to push my stack and use my fold equity, but I struggle much more with tough decisions late in tourneys when you need to decide whether to call off your whole stack. How can I get better at this?
This is a tough one, generally I'd fold this and look to be the shover rather than the caller. Unless this guy has been shoving a lot and you can widen his range, I think this is a fold.
June 25, 2010
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I fold and hate myself here
You said he is loose and its folded to him on the button +1 for shoving, you said your image and the BB is tight +1 for shoving. Your are the short stack and and he is the next short stack +1 for shoving. I gave him a range of about 17% of hands which may be a little tight and ATs is a 51-48 favorite +1 for shoving….. I think I shove it in.
Really tuff spot but I would guess you are ahead of his range. I would trust my gut and call when feeling it/fold when not…
Seems like an easy call to me… might be different if you said he was very tight, but you say he has been loosish.
I would expect his range to include most/all weaker aces and some dominated tens – KT, QT, JT
Since you're posting it, I assume he had you crushed? Still a good call imo.
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March 17, 2010
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I call without thinking too much about it. His shove range is wide here and I'm sure you are crushing it.
Thanks for the responses. I folded. Now that I think about it more, I think probably its a call. As dragon and ron pointed out, he could have a lot of hands here that I do fine against. I think I am obsessed too much with fold equity and miss decent spots to call for all my chips late in tourneys. Actually when I am faced with this kind of spot I pretty much don't know what to do; maybe the subject of how to evaluate a situation late in a tourney when you're faced with calling all your chips off would be a decent video topic.
A9s is just about a coin flip vs 25% percent of hands he's opening with acc to PokerStove, 66+,A2s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J9s+,T9s,A8o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo. Does this range look about right or do u think he may be shoving any pp and or any suited K or maybe even middle sc's? Then you would have a better edge. How has he been playing his button with this stack? How many times has he shoved? Has he opened any pots for 2.5 or 3x from late pos lately?
You have a couple of healthy stacks to your left so it prob hasn't been too easy to steal blinds with a normal raise. It may be better to shove against them to put the pressure on if u had the chance.
Without a better read on the shover here, I think you still have a little more time to put your chips in more effectively.
I break my arm off getting it in here. Hes just trying to boss you. think your way ahead here more times then not.
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March 17, 2010
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mmfitter said:
A9s is just about a coin flip vs 25% percent of hands he's opening with acc to PokerStove, 66+,A2s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J9s+,T9s,A8o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo. Does this range look about right or do u think he may be shoving any pp and or any suited K or maybe even middle sc's? Then you would have a better edge. How has he been playing his button with this stack? How many times has he shoved? Has he opened any pots for 2.5 or 3x from late pos lately?
You have a couple of healthy stacks to your left so it prob hasn't been too easy to steal blinds with a normal raise. It may be better to shove against them to put the pressure on if u had the chance.
Without a better read on the shover here, I think you still have a little more time to put your chips in more effectively.
I'd change your range to include 22-99 but not TT+…also include all aces up to AQ.
I think he shoves a lot more bad stuff and doesn't shove the premiums.
yeah agree with ron that i'd be discounting big hands with these stacks. maybe if he had aournd 10BB and below he'd just shove everything but with 15BB i think he's going to be putting in a regular sized PF raise with bigger pairs and AK/AQ looking to get you or the SB to shove–as he should be–and jamming with the rest.
as to the hand, it's pretty interesting as i looked at it and was all like “OMG CALL OBVVVVVVVV,” but then started actually thinking about it and 15BB 8handed at a FT is no measly stack and i actually think it's pretty close. i asked a friend whose game i respect a ton and he said he'd fold but wasn't certain.
first of all, this is definitely a +cEV call. what we're not sure about is whether or not the call is +$EV since we're at a FT.
if you provide me with the FT payout structure i'd like to plug it into an ICM calculator and SNG power tools and see if ICM makes it a fold.
Thanks Hagbard. Yeah it was a final table.
Here were the payouts.
1. 1447
2. 890
3. 580
4. 405
5. 341
6. 277
7. 214
8. 150
9. 102
Plus there was a 2 dollar bounty on everyone so you can buy a cup of coffee if you knock someone out.
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July 20, 2010
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im still looking for more money in my pockets. 100% of the time ship that in. most likely have him crushed. and for the amount of times that you do have him crushed it makes it a must call
This is pretty clear +chipEV even if he's shoving as tight as 35% of hands, which I think would be absurd tight. I can't imagine a scenario where I'd fold this unless there are like 6 players with 5bbs or something and ICM factors came into play or something. Otherwise, sometimes you have to take the flip/gambles to win the tournies. Sure sometimes he'll be ahead, sometimes he'll be behind and hit, and sometimes the bb will wake up with a hand but that's poker and I'm not not passing this one up.
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