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April 8, 2013
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Ok so the first hand is at blinds 8-1600 with a 200 ante. There are about 30 platers remaining and 12 cash. We are 5 handed and in the BB. It folds to the sb who limps. We raise to 3800 and the sb almost insta shoves for 44k. We have 80k and a little history with villain. In earlier spot, we 5 bet shoved AQ from the bb when he was on the button. And he tank folded saying he had 10s. I have also frequently 3 bet him in position and from the blinds. What is your calling range in this spot?
Second hand, we are down to 11 players and in the money however we only have 16bb and are the short stack in the tourney. The average stack at this point is probably around 60bb. We are on the button with 9 10 and villain limps from mp. I shove. Is this too loose of a shove? For the last couple orbits I had been pretty card dead and this seemed like the first good spot to try and steal. There are also no pay jumps for another 2 places and even then 9th only pays an additional $700. What do you think?
Just to add something about the tournament, the structure was great however, with a 135 person field as well as re-entry, only 12 places where paid. 10-12 got $1135 while first was almost $23k. Seems a bit absurd to me but i dont play a ton of live tourneys and dont know if this is standard.
May 30, 2012
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First, I'm calling his Jam w/ TT-AA, AK, AQ maybe depending on your read of villain. When you get down to 11 I don't mind your jam. Sure you could wait and if that guy open raises, you have to fold. I think he's horrible for open limping JJ, but that's just me. NEVER open limp, wish you had QQ to crush his soul. But…..ok, you jam. I think most of hte time your jam works he just decided to play a premuim hand badly and won. Sure, maybe wait or pick another spot. Just depends on your read. I know most of hte guys at these two tables, was actually thinking I haven't really seen you much at Borgata because I'm a tourney reg most of the time. Don't know the guy that busted you, but know Alex, Tony, the older guy who won and a few others. Who's the guy that jammed on you?
April 8, 2013
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Michael Marder was the guy who limp jammed. Seemed like a solid player at the time and then I found out he had placed second the night before and has a reasonable amount of success at borgata.
May 30, 2012
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wow, Marder limped. I'm shocked, but I know Mike would have a good reason. Just reread the hand. It's not crazy for him to lmp jam from the sb vs your bb raise. Especially since you guys had a history. He definitely had a hand. Mike's not getting it in with bs. He will cont to grind his stack to the very end. He's a thinking player who plays on the tighter side. Good fold.
July 3, 2010
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Factoring in a tighter range for live play I'm thinking something like 88 or 99+, A9o and A9s+
It's a bad spot for villain to open into us given what you've said about history. He can't just jam because we can play perfectly. If he opens 55 and gets 3 bet he's in a pretty rotten spot which is why you see a lot of limp/jams with this dynamic.
While I think we can call off lighter and still be ahead, I don't think it's a great call off because we probably have an above average stack and we can chip up using other methods aside from taking a big flip for over half our stack.
I'd defer to Pierre's answer over mine, though, because he plays a whole bunch at Borgata so he'll have player specific reads while the rest of us are answering based on only what we know in the original post.
August 23, 2012
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He doesn't sound like a thinking player if he 4b folded TT BU vs BB. That history is evidence that he is not GII unless he is sure he has the best hand. Definitely calling his limp/jam fairly tight. Fold the T9; just because you don't limp with premiums doesn't mean others don't. You didn't specify if it was suited which makes a pretty big difference. Snap fold if it's offsuit and probably fine if suited but very dependent on villain.
April 8, 2013
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I guess I should add that I tanked for like 5 min and called with AQ and he had A6. I asked the question more so because I think that’s probably the bottom of his range so it probably looked silly that I took so long but I figured that was probably the bottom of my calling range as well.
August 23, 2012
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It seems like he was frustrated with your aggression and decided to play back at you. AQ should be a snap call BB vs SB 28bbs deep. AJ is definitely a GII, but AT is close vs this player. He actually has a good hand to limp/shove. Weak aces are not going to play well with a low spr when he raises and you call IP. Limping allows him to min-bet almost any flop and take it down vs your very weak check back range and limp/shove over a wide raising range. What makes AQ such an easy GII is that I wouldn't expect him to show up with 99+, AK here very often because raise/4betting over a light 3b will take down a much larger pot than limp/shoving. That play is much better used by weak/suited aces and small pocket pairs.
April 8, 2013
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Yea I think I agree for the most part. I think the insta shove threw me off and made me think for a bit.
May 30, 2012
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Trust me, Mike Marder is a thinking player with LOTS of great live results especially in the last 6 weeks. His several live cashes and final tables speak for themselves. He's got 300k in live cashes the last 2 years. He's much better then me, but I'm DEAD MONEY. That being said, If you had AQ, I agree w/ others it's a call and not much to think about even against Marder……… I'm snapping his face off with AQ there, lol.
And I understand that other player do limp w/ premuims, but I believe MOST if not all pros on this site would agree they don't open limp much if at all unless it's against absolute clowns.
I agree w/ Coolers and Pack
August 23, 2012
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I just noticed in the OP that he “said he folded TT”. Probably a lie to not let hero think he was 4b bluffing. I take back what I said about calling tight. Snap him off with anything decent.
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