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Check/call river with middle pair?
Maniackid11
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September 9, 2018 - 4:15 pm
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WPN, $30 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager – The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: 2,543 (17 bb)
Hero (BB): 11,464 (76.4 bb)
UTG+2: 4,783 (31.9 bb)
MP1: 12,211 (81.4 bb)
MP2: 6,287 (41.9 bb)
MP3: 7,170 (47.8 bb)
CO: 2,650 (17.7 bb)
BTN: 2,824 (18.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 6
3 folds, MP3 raises to 300, 3 folds, Hero calls 150

Flop: (795) J 6 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets 450, Hero calls 450

Turn: (1,695) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks

River: (1,695) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets 1,272, MP3 folds

Results: 1,695 pot
Final Board: J 6 5 3 2
Hero mucked 9 6 and won 1,695 (930 net)
MP3 mucked and lost (-765 net)

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September 26, 2018 - 9:54 pm
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After a quick look I would say to bet smaller OTR.

But after I give V a range for betting flop and check back turn, I have something like this for V: TT-77,AKo,AKs,A5s,98s-97s,87s… guess check call if V is bluffing his 98s-97s,87s or thin value for his AK hands… TT-77 should be taking a free showdown more often than not.

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 Yes I agree, IDK  what I was hoping for with that river bet sizing, I turned my hand into a bluff. I like the idea of smaller sizing, because if I have the best hand I guess I’m only really getting value from maybe his Ax hands.

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I don’t love calling 9-6 offsuit preflop, but you are the BB so I don’t have a real problem with it. 9-6 suited makes a better case for a call. After the flop you have middle pair so calling one bet is OK to see if it will slow him down and get you to showdown. That said, as played to this point I think you are losing more often than you are winning. After the turn villain just checks so now there is a chance that you are good.

After the river it gets tricky. With four to a straight, and overcard and villains early aggression in the hand, I can’t imagine you are betting for value. Plus, the bet sizing is massive. You bet pot, which makes the bet a bluff. I don’t think you need to bet this much to get an answer from villain. If you bet 850 instead of 1695, villain is still folding with air (likely) and reraising with a strong hand. If he reraises you have to fold and it has cost you twice as much to fold as it would be if you had bet smaller. Given the texture of the board I would be surprised if villain just calls with worse.

I am torn on whether you should have bet at all on the river. If you check, his turn check means he will probably check back on the river and you have showdown value. On the other hand if you check the river and villain might sense weakness and bet 850 (or more). If he does, are you going to call or fold? I think I need to know if villain is spewy, a rock or somewhere in between to know what I think. It’s a tricky spot, which is why playing 9-6 offsuit is not ideal. You were in the big blind, I get it. A case can be made for folding preflop, but a case can also be made for playing it like you did preflop, postflop and on the turn. The river bet, however, seems too large for my taste. The hand worked out for you, but it’s the type of hand that can get you in a lot of trouble.

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