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November 28, 2015
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WPN, 75/150 blinds, 15 ante No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 9 Players
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SB: 6,657 (44.4 bb)
Hero (BB): 13,513 (90.1 bb)
UTG+1: 10,462 (69.7 bb)
UTG+2: 1,840 (12.3 bb)
MP1: 1,010 (6.7 bb)
MP2: 3,118 (20.8 bb)
MP3: 4,050 (27 bb)
CO: 930 (6.2 bb)
BTN: 1,073 (7.2 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with T
K
UTG+1 raises to 300, UTG+2 calls 300, MP1 folds, MP2 calls 300, 4 folds, Hero calls 150
Flop: (1,410) 3
2 K
(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 705, UTG+2 calls 705, MP2 folds, Hero calls 705
Turn: (3,525) 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 1,763, UTG+2 calls 820 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,763
River: (7,871) 4 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 1,968, Hero calls 1,968
Results: 11,807 pot
Final Board: 3 2 K 9 4
Hero mucked T K and lost (-4,751 net)
UTG+1 showed A A and won 11,807 (7,056 net)
UTG+2 mucked and lost (-1,840 net)
I think this was a clear river fold. The only reason I don’t think it was a turn fold is the backdoor flush draw we picked up. Once we missed, I think it’s a clear fold. What do you guys think here?
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December 6, 2012
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I agree, especially as Villain is betting into a very small side pot. That said, you’re getting a great price on the call, so I doubt it’s a huge mistake. I also agree that turn could be a fold without the flush draw.
November 6, 2018
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Would it be better to squeeze pre? Instead of playing OOP in multiway pot?
November 28, 2015
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nkarapet said
Would it be better to squeeze pre? Instead of playing OOP in multiway pot?
I think the only reason I played this hand is because of the price I was getting from the BB. KT is a marginal hand. Especially against two early position players. Often times we are going to be dominated by better kings or crushed by pocket pairs. I like calling and seeing what develops on the flop. If I knew more about my opponent I think maybe I could have gotten away on the flop, but I don’t think it’s a great idea to just fold Top Pair unless I know that Villain is NEVER c-betting the flop with anything worse than KQ or better here.
June 28, 2018
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nkarapet said
Would it be better to squeeze pre? Instead of playing OOP in multiway pot?
KTs is a pretty playable hand, I don’t think we want to turn it into a bluff.
if you want to bluff here I think ace-wheel hands are much better candidates as they have better blockers and are far less playable post flop.
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December 6, 2012
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Not saying it’s the best play,but I don’t think squeezing would be turning the hand into a bluff. That would only be relevant if you thought opponents would only 4-bet or fold and you planned on folding to a 4-bet. I see no reason why that would be the case here. In scenarios where your 3-bet might be called by hands like 99 or AJ, it matters that you have KTs and not 72o (or A5o, for that matter).
March 28, 2019
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Foucault said
Not saying it’s the best play,but I don’t think squeezing would be turning the hand into a bluff. That would only be relevant if you thought opponents would only 4-bet or fold and you planned on folding to a 4-bet. I see no reason why that would be the case here. In scenarios where your 3-bet might be called by hands like 99 or AJ, it matters that you have KTs and not 72o (or A5o, for that matter).
I think it’s interesting what you’re saying. you’re saying that squeezing would not be categorized as a bluff. Okay, but, as there is no such thing as a value-bluff, you are saying it is for value or protection.
I don’t see K10s as a 3bet being a smart move, i’m not saying that you are saying that, but you are allowing it as a possibility. whereas, wouldn’t it be hard? I mean, what’s the plan? u raise, get one or two callers, flop comes K102 Rainbow, you cbet, get called, turn is a 8 and brings a flush draw, what do you do? you’re not betting for value anymore, as our kicker is too weak, so are we bluffcatching from this point? I just don’t see K10s as a 3bet possibility, apart from a bluff.
Which, in my opinion, is not a great selection to have a 3bet bluff PRF, I think there are better balanced 3betting ranges.
March 28, 2019
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Additionally, I believe that it is very important to think a few stages ahead in a hand when contemplating something as a possibility.
Like the example I gave before:
we decide to 3bet K10s, 2 players call, flop is Kd10s2h, we cbet, UTG+1 calls, other folds. Turn is the 8h, bringing a flush draw and straight draws. do we keep betting? well, our kicker is no good, so are we bluffing? is AK/KQ/KJ ever folding? unlikely… sets aren’t folding and straight draws might even raise us of our hand.
I think that a hand like this, doesn’t play well postflop as a 3bet, its better to approach it with a small ball approach and play it the way you played it, I think the hand was played well until the river, where a fold would have been optimal, even without knowing the holdings of our opponents.
November 28, 2015
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SnoringPanda said
Additionally, I believe that it is very important to think a few stages ahead in a hand when contemplating something as a possibility.Like the example I gave before:
we decide to 3bet K10s, 2 players call, flop is Kd10s2h, we cbet, UTG+1 calls, other folds. Turn is the 8h, bringing a flush draw and straight draws. do we keep betting? well, our kicker is no good, so are we bluffing? is AK/KQ/KJ ever folding? unlikely… sets aren’t folding and straight draws might even raise us of our hand.
I think that a hand like this, doesn’t play well postflop as a 3bet, its better to approach it with a small ball approach and play it the way you played it, I think the hand was played well until the river, where a fold would have been optimal, even without knowing the holdings of our opponents.
We absolutely keep betting the turn with top two. We block top two sets. If we bet the turn and get raised, I’m rarely folding here. Are we ever getting value on a brick river? Probably not. Bet turn and bet big. Reevaluate on the river.
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December 6, 2012
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I’m guessing this is a mistake and he meant something like K92, where Hero would have top pair with a mediocre kicker.
It’s also not a given that you’re going to get called when you 3-bet pre. A lot of the value of 3-betting comes from winning the pot immediately. The scenarios where your raise is called are already the less-lucky ones. That said, even if it’s not the nuts, I’d sure rather have KT than A3 or even A2 on that board (or 64s or some other hands one might think of as preflop “bluffs”). If you don’t think you can get called by worse, you aren’t obliged to bet the flop.
Preflop, hands really don’t break clearly into “value” and “bluffs”. Most strong hands that you raise still benefit a lot from fold equity. Suppose you had JJ or AK in this same spot pre-flop. Reraising and having everyone fold is really one of the best-case scenarios for you even though your hand will be in fine shape if called.
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