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Ok, I am at the FT of the UB $3 rebuy and we are six handed.
Table: 39 (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 – BBSURVIVOR (535,801 in chips)
Seat 7 – THE_VARIANT_ (355,934 in chips)
Seat 8 – HERO (251,910 in chips)
Seat 9 – XTILTEDX (335,860 in chips)
Seat 1 – MONTANA1976 (517,916 in chips)
Seat 3 – JKBGOLD (708,579 in chips)
MONTANA1976 – Ante 1,600
JKBGOLD – Ante 1,600
BBSURVIVOR – Ante 1,600
THE_VARIANT_ – Ante 1,600
HERO – Ante 1,600
XTILTEDX – Ante 1,600
THE_VARIANT_ – Posts small blind 8,000
HERO – Posts big blind 16,000
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Qd Kd]
XTILTEDX – Folds
MONTANA1976 – Folds
JKBGOLD – Folds
BBSURVIVOR – Calls 16,000
THE_VARIANT_ – All-In(Raise) 346,334 to 354,334
HERO – All-In 234,310
BBSURVIVOR – Folds (Preselection)
THE_VARIANT_ – returned (104,024) : not called
*** FLOP *** [8c 4c 2d]
*** TURN *** [8c 4c 2d] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [8c 4c 2d 8s] [10h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
THE_VARIANT_ – Shows [8d Ac] (Three of a kind, eights)
HERO – Shows [Qd Kd] (One pair, eights)
THE_VARIANT_ Collects 526,220 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot(526,220)
Important to note that The_Variant had been very aggressive and had already shoved several times.
Should I have folded???
TPE Management
April 6, 2010
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i think its pretty close based on your read. I probably fold and pick a better spot, but I think others might disagree with me,.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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That is quite close because of the $EV impact. from a chip equity perspective it's wildly +EV but you're pretty much at a flip for your life. I think i'd take the spot though because winning could really put you in position to take down this tourney.
I post my math below.
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note: if we tighten his range your equity doesn't go down much but if we widen it your equity goes way up so I think this is a good one for illustration purposes.
Pot 511600
Your Stack 235000
BB 16000
Effective Stack 235000
Win % 50.00%
Lose % 50.00%
Pot Odds 31.48%
If we call and win 746600
If we call and lose 0
EV of a Call 373300
EV of a Fold 235000
Net EV of a Shove 138300
EV as % of Stack 58.85%
EV as # of BBs 8.64
Risk of Busto 50.00%
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TPE Management
July 20, 2010
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its not automatic but with you being in that 15 bb range its not horrible to take a shot at doubling here to try to win the tourney
no way he equity is so high on final table shove!!!! its a final table ppl especially in these low stakes that money means so much for all the players dont shove q9s and j9s and 89s … you hardly shove these just when u enter the bubble… (at these stakes!!! AND WITH 4 PPL TO TALK BEHIND YOU) i mean ok i maybe shove a JTs or similar with 18bbs somehwre befor the bubble or after the bubble but no way in ft…
and generally u like less viriance moves on ft.. u just dont look only +EV moves.. but laso – viriance, shove first and never call is a good line when u r low on ft.. i doubt i would call ATo either… which has SOOO much more equity… my cold call range here would be at the very very minimum ATs
June 22, 2010
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Being in the position you are in, I do not think your shove was a bad call. I think I would have made it with your reads as well.
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Thanks for the responses guys!
I probably should have waited for a better spot, but this guy had really been playing wild.
When the tourn was down to 2 tables I brought up the other table, where villian was playing and
watched him make several shoves, loosing over half his stack at one point and gaining it back
on subsiquant allins. He was just a wild player and had I not witnessed this I would not have called.
I think he got lucky again and I didn't.
I think its close. I think I prob tank fold here but dont hate a call.
Your read that he is aggressive is an important point to this hand however I think I can find a bit better spot to get my chips in as I rarely see him opening shoving with much worse here and so you are mostly on wrong end of a 60/40 or flipping.
As I say, dont hate it but fold >>>>call IMO
July 3, 2010
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There's no way I overshove KQs here at a $3 FT when most of them are probably playing scared.
The Variant should be shoving over limps but he is also doing with with hands that are ahead of KQs and seldom behind it…
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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OP says “Important to note that The_Variant had been very aggressive and had already shoved several times.”
I think you have to take this into consideration. I definitely agree that we don't want to take marginal +EV spots at a FT but if a villian is showing himself to be shoving wildly you have to give him a wide range BvB 6 handed.
If the read was that he was playing tight/normal or even mildly aggressive I'd pass as well.
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