edit up top, jus saw on flop i left some out……im not usually raising super strong hands on this flop as his range is so much air we are jus going to fold out the majority of it, therefore i am flatting to let him barrell again…..

I would be raising turn with flush draws, combos, sets, over pairs. therefore i would be raising air aswell at that point. 

when he doesnt barrel river after barrelling turn i highly doubt he is ever check/folding, the only hands that really check/give up are missed fds like QJss 7Jss 710ss J10ss  QJhh 7Jhh J10hh etc, the majority of which A high beats. also there are alot of draws you could be floating so he could be check/calling a value hand to extract a steal rather than thin value betting. Also 9x hands may check/call this river as bet/call sucks and bet/fold doesnt get to showdown. I would check river and beat his missed draws rather than bet when he is likely to calling us a ton.

Overall think the flat and float is fine, i prob bet turn if checked to and then barrel river. or raise turn. 

Id prefer a 3bet/5bet tbh but thats besides the point.

I dont like the preflop call. I would 3bet pre and take it down.  I know you didnt want to hear this. But with A8 i tink its a 3 bet all day.

yea but alot of the time when he calls our raise on the turn he will be folding his alot of marginal value hands on the river because “we would never do this light”

do you know what his two barreling range is? kind of dont like the flop raise because if i was raised by a flatter 3handed on that board i would be 3betting a huge % . and are you planning on raise/folding? overshipping takes it down alot but when we are called we are drawing super thin.

i mean 910 prob has a hard time calling river, and hands like 98/97 without draws hate it when we get in in on river after raising turn. its such a nutty line.

ya good insite guys thank jus a few things

i think we all agree a river bet its pretty hard to rep a hand here, and he is mostl likely check calling with bluff catches, and giving up on bluffs which i already beat anyways most of the time

yes 3 betting pre saves all this hassel as he woulda folded and i prob dont get 3rd but it was just a time i felt like a standard line wasnt going to play that great vs said villian so i tried something diff, it didnt work.

and duggs if he calls flop when we pile we arnt drawing super thin we have 30% equity vs a lot of his range and 24% vs even the top top of his range, i really dont think its bad here at all

shoving flop gets zero respect tho, whats your range for flop raises? Air/Overs/ gutters/ fds and at best 9xss. honestly feel floating is a must stronger and wider range where as your flop shove is pretty capped.

getting it in without decent equity given our edge and stack sizes and ICM doesnt seem ideal

duggs said:

shoving flop gets zero respect tho, whats your range for flop raises? Air/Overs/ gutters/ fds and at best 9xss. honestly feel floating is a must stronger and wider range where as your flop shove is pretty capped.

getting it in without decent equity given our edge and stack sizes and ICM doesnt seem ideal

it doesnt really matter what our range reps the fact is he cant call it off here, like ever and feel good about it….i played a live tournament with david baker and he took this line 3 times vs me at the FT and everytime i had big hands and you just cant do anything about it…

as for raise turn pile river i like it thanks coolers, was one of the things i thought of as i was laying in bed last night thinking about this, glad to hear someone else suggest it

hawkeyeK9 said:

3bet pre vs solid aggro villian in this spot is better imo. Dont like the double float and bluff river.

thanks for reading my post and give me exactly what i was looking for lol

everyone else thansk for your help in this it was greatly appreciated

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