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Final table bluff + few more
kardi31
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Hi all,

I’m fresh after watching Andrew Brokos’ bluffing series. 

Here is few spots where I’ve got trouble evaluating my bluffs. 

1. Hot $11 (turbo) on Pokerstars, ~35/80 

Info about opponent : Villain was very aggresive from late position.

PokerStars – 1750/3500 Ante 425 NL – Holdem – 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 57,190 (VPIP: 9.38, PFR: 10.17, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 64)
SB: 69,223 (VPIP: 18.49, PFR: 13.19, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 147)
Hero (BB): 85,303
UTG: 50,628 (VPIP: 19.47, PFR: 11.01, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 114)
UTG+1: 29,501 (VPIP: 15.79, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 78)
MP: 25,719 (VPIP: 10.26, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 78)
MP+1: 82,776 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 15.15, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 36)
CO: 29,155 (VPIP: 12.82, PFR: 9.33, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 78)

8 players post ante of 425, SB posts SB 1,750, Hero posts BB 3,500

Pre Flop: (pot: 8,650) Hero has Aspade 8diamond

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 8,750, Hero calls 5,250

Flop: (20,900, 2 players) 7spade 9diamond 6heart
SB bets 11,495, Hero raises to 76,128 and is all-in, SB calls 48,553 and is all-in

Given the fact he was really,really aggresive, I decided to shove. I felt like he has tons of air in his range + I had a lot of fold equity.

Hands I wanted to make him fold: all broadways, one pairs (6x, maybe weaker 8, lower pocket pairs). Also he could call with some draws. 

Turn: (140,996, 2 players) 4diamond

River: (140,996, 2 players) 2diamond

SB shows Tspade 6club (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 37%, Flop 63%, Turn 77%)
Hero shows Aspade 8diamond (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 63%, Flop 37%, Turn 23%)
SB wins 140,996

2. Bounty builder $22 – final table Heads Up.

Villain was loose passive. He folded to all my river bluffs (I made sizing 60-90% of pot) and when he called my river bets a couple of times (of the same size) , I had a value hand. 

PokerStars – 40000/80000 Ante 12000 NL – Holdem – 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 1,596,477 (VPIP: 53.14, PFR: 32.04, 3Bet Preflop: 10.45, Hands: 332)
Hero (BB): 2,298,523

2 players post ante of 12,000, SB posts SB 40,000, Hero posts BB 80,000

Pre Flop: (pot: 144,000) Hero has Tdiamond Jdiamond

SB raises to 160,000, Hero calls 80,000

Flop: (344,000, 2 players) Aclub 8heart Kheart
Hero checks, SB bets 141,040, Hero calls 141,040

Turn: (626,080, 2 players) Tclub
Hero checks, SB bets 395,565, Hero calls 395,565

River: (1,417,210, 2 players) 2heart
Hero bets 1,589,918 and is all-in,

Please ignore the fact I’ve called twice with gutshot. That’s how the villain was playing, betting 80% of his bluffs and slow playing 80% of his value hands. 

So the range I want to make him fold : One pairs (apart from Ax – I did not expect him to fold that)

SB calls 887,872 and is all-in

Hero shows Tdiamond Jdiamond (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 47%, Flop 18%, Turn 14%)
SB shows Kdiamond 8club (Two Pair, Kings and Eights)
(Pre 53%, Flop 82%, Turn 86%)
SB wins 3,192,954

 

3. Bounty builder $109 on Pokerstars

Villain was Bryan Paris . I’ve spent a lot of time watching his Twitch streams, and I knew he was really aggresive. 

Poker Stars, $100 Buy-in (70/140 blinds, 21 ante) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 9 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunnersHand Details

UTG+2: 3,761 (26.9 bb)
MP1: 5,000 (35.7 bb)
MP2: 10,179 (72.7 bb)
MP3: 7,995 (57.1 bb)
Hero (CO): 4,874 (34.8 bb)
BTN: 5,515 (39.4 bb)
SB: 16,209 (115.8 bb)
BB: 3,431 (24.5 bb)
UTG+1: 6,673 (47.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[Image Can Not Be Found] J[Image Can Not Be Found]
2 folds, MP1 raises to 321, 2 folds, Hero calls 321, 3 folds

Flop: (1,041) 2[Image Can Not Be Found] 9[Image Can Not Be Found] 4[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players)
MP1 bets 508, Hero calls 508

Turn: (2,057) 3[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players)
MP1 bets 1,175, Hero raises to 4,024 and is all-in,

MP1 calls 2,849

River: (10,105) J[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players, 1 is all-in)

 

That’s a difficult spot for me. I don’t think he has too much air on his range. Also I do not think I can make him to fold any marginal hand (apart from lower pocket pairs than 9). At the same time, even if he calls, I feel like I’m in pretty good shape, with 2 overs, nut flush draw & straight draw. 

 

What’s your opinion on those spots? 

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July 1, 2017 - 1:36 pm
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Hello!

Just giving my thougths before I check the spoilers:

1 – I think you should just call the flop bet, if V wants to bluff let him do it, you are ok in equity against his bluffs/semibluffs, I don´t think there is much reason to reraise and make V fold his bluffs.

2 – I would call that flop probably, and try to bet river if V check turn, problem is that you have capped your range, there is not many strong Aces or Kings in your range, and there is much more in V´s. Even with the read that “betting 80% of his bluffs and slow playing 80% of his value hands.” I am not sure V will slowplay here, there is flush draws and str8 draws on the board, bad slowplaying spot. Also when he goes from small bet otf, to over 50% pot ott, seems to me that he wants to gii by the river and is trying to protect his hand. I am not sure you can represent the flush and make V to fold Ax, V started the hand with 20bb

3 – Looks to me that you have some showdown value to just call, you are blocking the nut flush, I don´t know how this player plays, but I assume he would bet turn with broadways that have a heart, Ax and pairs that he may have, sets and flush too.
I put this on a equity calculator, if he is betting ott this range: 22+, A9s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo, T9o, you are 56.55% favorite to win, and maybe if V is betting all of this range ott, he may bet most rivers with it too, what increases your bluff catching profit, you know better his game, what do you think about this range?

Ok, now lets take a look at the spoilers:

1 – lol, I expect that to fold, if he is calling with that shove on him way more jejeje

2 – As I suspected he was protecting his hand and trying to set a river shove

3 – the spoiler is broke yell

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July 1, 2017 - 1:57 pm
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Thanks for your thoughts almofadinhas. 

Sorry, spoiler 3 can be found here

MP1 calls 2,849 River: (10,105) Jd (2 players, 1 is all-in)

MP1 wins with AA

With hand #3, I would exclude from his range Ax s from his range, because I have Ah and he is not double barreling with e.g. AQcc or AKss. Also I did not see him opening lower suited connectors early position. Actually it’s pretty unlikely for him to double barrel on such board with complete air. That’s why I feel a bit bad for my play here. 

On hand #2 you are probably right. I think I gave up hand reading in that spot, and used only my read on the villain. Also, I did not try to rep a strong A/K here, cause he knew I would check-raise it, I’m trying to rep a flush here. Maybe I got a bit tilted here after losing 4 flips to win the tournament. 

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kardi31 said

With hand #3, I would exclude from his range Ax s from his range, because I have Ah and he is not double barreling with e.g. AQcc or AKss. Also I did not see him opening lower suited connectors early position. Actually it’s pretty unlikely for him to double barrel on such board with complete air. That’s why I feel a bit bad for my play here. 

oops, I forgot to discount Ah from the range, but I think the software did it.

If he is betting all his pairs, and broadways with one or two heart in it (no Aheart this time jeje), than you have 50% equity yet, but I don´t think you benefit much from a shove ott.

the range i used: 22+, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, QhTh, JhTh, Kh9h, Qh9h, Jh9h, Th9h, KdQh, KhQd, KhQs, KhQc, KsQh, KcQh, KdJh, KhJd, KhJs, KhJc, KsJh, KcJh, KdTh, KhTd, KhTs, KhTc, KsTh, KcTh, QdJh, QhJd, QhJs, QhJc, QsJh, QcJh, QdTh, QhTd, QhTs, QhTc, QsTh, QcTh, JdTh, JhTd, JhTs, JhTc, JsTh, JcTh, Td9h, Th9d, Th9s, Th9c, Ts9h, Tc9h

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I like all three hands, for the following reasons:

1. You can’t do much else here. Villain is b/f a ton of overcards and you have good equity if you get called. Nice hand.

2. I think turn check-call is thin but okay. Once you get to the river it is a good card for your range and JTdd is one of the weakest hands in that range, so turning it into a bluff is actually a decent idea. The only thing I might do differently is either shove pre or check-jam turn, but I think your line is good.

3. I slightly prefer 3-betting pre, not a huge fan of having much of a CO flatting range at 35bb versus a good reg. I like your postflop line, but there is a chance villain would expect you to raise/call some % of your flush draws on the flop, so all you really have to do in order to make this line good is make sure you’re not always raise/calling all your overs+FD combos.

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Thanks Matthew for your feedback, appreciate it. 

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