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As title says this is my first strategy post here or anywhere for that matter. This is from the later stages of the Bigger $22 1260 left the bubble is 991.
Villan is running 23/11 over 62 hands with 8%3bet. I have been tightish 16/16 6% 3bet 62 hands.
I just want to find out how everyone else would have played this. When he checks the turn another bet will commit me, so how would you proceed and would you play it different up to this point.
I hope this is put together correctly 🙂
Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300/t600 Blinds + t70 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
CO: BB = 12.4, t7456
BTN: BB = 44.1, t26439
SB: BB = 24.9, t14955
BB: BB = 21.2, t12738
UTG: BB = 8.4, t5021
UTG+1: BB = 38.9, t23364
UTG+2: BB = 52.7, t31639
MP1: BB = 9.0, t5390
Hero (MP2): BB = 33.6, t20152
Pre Flop: (t1530) Hero is MP2 with A
K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t1200, 2 folds, Hero raises to t3100, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls t1900
Flop: (t7730) Q K 5
(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t3710, UTG+1 calls t3710
Turn: (t15150) 2 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks,
I prob check behind and bet the river if checked to, its really hard to get 3 streets out of much we beat. since Kx weaker than Q is unlikely, and AQ and midpairs JJ and below are folding to the turn bet but might call a river bet.
also if he is bluffy we get an extra bet out of him on river that will call a turn bet.
although If he has shown the tendency to be stationy postflop then i def bet/fold every street
Cheers Duggs. So do you play it pretty much the same up to this point?
yup exactly the same,
also someone with those stats and position is almost always 4betting QQ+ so you can take that out of their range. so we are ahead alot and just need to extract value which is hard given his range of KQ, AQ AJ JJ-77
October 6, 2010
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I prob check behind and bet the river if checked to, its really hard to get 3 streets out of much we beat. since Kx weaker than Q is unlikely, and AQ and midpairs JJ and below are folding to the turn bet but might call a river bet.
also if he is bluffy we get an extra bet out of him on river that will call a turn bet.
although If he has shown the tendency to be stationy postflop then i def bet/fold every street
QFT
+1 with duggs. I check this turn to induce him to bet river or to get my river bet called.
hawkeyeK9 said:
+1 with duggs. I check this turn to induce him to bet river or to get my river bet called.
exactly
Thanks for all the replies guys, mostly everyone has come up with the same line. But the reason i'm here is because I didnt take the best line 🙂
Here are the results
CO: BB = 12.4, t7456
BTN: BB = 44.1, t26439
SB: BB = 24.9, t14955
BB: BB = 21.2, t12738
UTG: BB = 8.4, t5021
UTG+1: BB = 38.9, t23364
UTG+2: BB = 52.7, t31639
MP1: BB = 9.0, t5390
Hero (MP2): BB = 33.6, t20152
Pre Flop: (t1530) Hero is MP2 with A K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t1200, 2 folds, Hero raises to t3100, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls t1900
Flop: (t7730) Q K 5 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t3710, UTG+1 calls t3710
Turn: (t15150) 2 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t6500, UTG+1 raises to t16484 all in, Hero calls t6772 all in
River: (t41694) 3 (2 players – 2 are all in)
Final Pot: t41694
UTG+1 shows A
A (a pair of Aces)
Hero shows A K (a pair of Kings)
UTG+1 wins t41694
I've learned a good bit from this first post on how you guys think out the hands. The fact that the guy had AA did not really matter as lots of other hands in his range were beating me also.
So When I check behind on the turn, He most likely bets the blank on the river. Would you just call depending on bet size?
I agree with drugs on this one, and 100% calling a bet on the river.
He flated the aces so, its hard to put him on that hand .. also the only hand u mite fear here is KQ, but i dont think he would call a 3bet with KQ, maybe KQsuited, but out position i dont think so.
Cant see me folding on the river, and no shame on the 3betshove turn.
June 22, 2010
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I agree with the majority, check the turn and see if we can get value on the river.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
so for everyone who says check turn and bet river because we arnt getting 3 streets……
what is wrong with betting flop and turn and checking river back…..checking turn is costing us a bet vs a hand like TJ that is almost always calling turn but will never be calling river where as a hand like KJ or KT or even AQ is most likely still going to give us our 2 streets of value….(obv in said hand he prob never has TJ the way action played or he is super fishy if he does but for arguments sake in hands similar to this)
because bet/check/bet looks alot weaker than double barreling, plus we induce him to stab at it with his random floats on river ie J10.
also given his stats i think J10 is pretty unlikely and overall we induce more action from his overall range by checking turn than betting it. betting because 1 small part of his range calls is bad if we can extract value from the majority
yes this time i know he doesnt hardly ever have JT as i said that question is more about hands similar to this board and spot….
but i just dont think we are extracting more value by checking turn….if he is calling a str8 draw, all Kx, most Qx, and some weird AJss or A10ss type hands on this turn, but on river he is only calling Kx, possible AQ and bluffin rando hands occasionally we are never getting more value from checking
also i think more people tend to bet bet as a bluff, so if we are always bet betting as a bluff but bet check betting our value hands because it “looks a lot weaker” we are going to be exploited a lot more often
i dont think a guy with these stats floats the turn with draws, he jsut gives up alot of the time, JJ and below fold to a turn barrel. AQ and the unlikely QJ fold to a turn barrel. literally get called by KQ KK QQ 55 AA AK and KJ (some of which is discounted by preflop action), the majority of his range is JJ 1010 99 88 AQ KJ QJ will fold turn and call river or bet river for us. tbh i think we are beat very often when we get flatted/raised on a turn barrel. so pot control by checking turn isnt a bad thing, also there are no bad cards that can really fall, and if he donks river are you folding (assuming blank)? because you have now put yourself in a spot where he has a strong range and we either put chips in behind or fold after betting two streets. much better to check turn and bet/fold river imo.
duggs said:
i dont think a guy with these stats floats the turn with draws, he jsut gives up alot of the time, JJ and below fold to a turn barrel. AQ and the unlikely QJ fold to a turn barrel. literally get called by KQ KK QQ 55 AA AK and KJ (some of which is discounted by preflop action), the majority of his range is JJ 1010 99 88 AQ KJ QJ will fold turn and call river or bet river for us. tbh i think we are beat very often when we get flatted/raised on a turn barrel. so pot control by checking turn isnt a bad thing, also there are no bad cards that can really fall, and if he donks river are you folding (assuming blank)? because you have now put yourself in a spot where he has a strong range and we either put chips in behind or fold after betting two streets. much better to check turn and bet/fold river imo.
finally someone has good reason behind the post, thank you i could agree with most of that, was just curious why nobody liked Bet/Bet/Check
as played i tihnk we can maybe bet fold turn? thoughts?
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