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How much to bet into a dry side pot?
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April 9, 2019 - 1:16 pm
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$570 1million guarantee at Hard Rock 

 

2000/4000/4000 level

I have 78K

 

UTG all in for 5000

I call in the cut off with 55

Button (180K) sb and bb all call.

flop AhJs5c

not sure how to size bet into dry side pot, with 25000 in main pot. 

Bet 6000 hoping to get action from an ace, jack or straight draw. Only button calls.

Turn 2h

I bet 18K he calls

River 3h, I check, letting him potentially bluff at it. He bets 22K

I call

 

He has Jh9h

Is this just bad luck, or did I size incorrectly into the side pot? Do you have a general rule of thumb for % of main pot? I know each situation is so different, so impossible to generalize 

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One thing you don’t want to do is go by the result, that this time betting bigger and jamming the turn would have worked.  While that is true, it is not necessarily best.  

On to the hand.  You should raise the small all in.  Unless there is some massive ICM thing going on, you can raise here and likely get it heads up with the all in, and 10k of dead money.

I would expect to get action from Ax with larger sizing.  Your tiny bet offers attractive odds to hands like gut shots that you won’t be getting more action from then when you don’t want it.

With a SPR of 3, you can comfortably bet 2/3 of the pot, and jam the turn, and that is what I’d do, since it is quite easy for worse to call.

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I agree with 3for3’s reply that (a) the very unlucky/unlikely result of this hand shouldn’t be given much weight and (b) just shoving preflop is probably preferable, hoping to get into a coinflip with dead money/overlay, though if the players left to act are good, they may realize that you can be shoving pretty wide and adjust their calling ranges accordingly. Flatting to set-mine is less appealing than it seems for the same reason that bet-sizing post-flop is tricky: Once you flop your set and bet into a dry side-pot, you cannot rationally be bluffing, so your opponents have less incentive to call than they would normally. With a nutted hand you gain very little from fold equity by betting the flop, and because your opponents know this you are unlikely to get much action from anything worse than exactly AJ. That’s why I slightly disagree with 3for3’s bet-sizing thoughts … If I’m in the BB with A9 and I think hero is not a maniac/idiot, I’m probably folding to a 2/3-pot bet. So I think your small flop bet makes sense, and I think villain’s call with 2nd pair is pretty bad. Having said all that, if your opponents are really bad then all this goes out the window and you might as well just bet half pot on each street and hope villain just calls along with Ax.

I would be really interested to know how a solver handles this with all players acting more or less GTO. Sadly I don’t have flop-solver access/skills…

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Solvers don’t do multi way, as far as I know.

Yes, we won’t have pure bluffs, but if Villains are folding Ax, isn’t betting worse made hands functionally the same thing?  We could bet all our Jx, 5x, Pocket pairs, etc. and have it heads up vs the AI.

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