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May 25, 2019
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Hello to anyone reading, was looking for some confirmation/strategy against multiple limps. I play on igntion and almost every hand someone is limping whether its a 55$ MTT or a 11$ one. My question is this, say im on the button and i face 3 limps and i have KJo. After starting the university ( signed up a couple days ago ) ive been taught to always try to get it heads up in position. So what i was doing yesterday was if there were multiple limps, and i had KJo on the button i would 4.5x it because someone who is limping shouldnt really be calling 4.5x’s out of position. Now what would always happen and i really do mean always is that no one would fold and i would go 4 ways with a decent hand while i just invested 4.5 bbs. Id brick the flop and one of the limpers would raise before i even had a chance. This happend multiple times while i was playing probably somewhere between 15-25 times in my session. My question is, how is this move making money when almost everytime i do it i lose and cant do anything about it. Should I start folding KJo on the button, or should i just start limping with semi decent hands and only 4.5x it when i have hands like AA KK QQ etc. Will gladly take any advice just trying to become a better player. 🙂
July 24, 2018
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Raise bigger. One rule of thumb is to make your normal raise size plus one BB per limper. If it is as loose as you say, you can go a little bigger with slightly fewer hands, and put some of the hands that play well in your overlimp range, like Ax suited, and small pairs.
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December 6, 2012
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Raising a bit larger is good advice, but you also need to accept that you can’t control your opponents’ actions. That is, it’s not really up to you whether you end up getting it heads up on the flop. I’d rather say that the reason to raise is both to generate fold equity from hands that are limping and very live against your hand (stuff like T7s, say) and/or to push your advantage when you have both a strong hand (relatively speaking) and position.
Yes, if you get called by four people, you aren’t going to win the pot as often. That’s OK, though, because you don’t need to win as often. When you do win, the pot will be larger.
You aren’t going to win a five-way pot with a continuation bet, or with King-high. But you aren’t going to have King-high every time, either. If you are getting 25bbs into the pot pre-flop, then you’ll almost always have a low enough stack-to-pot ratio on the flop that you can comfortably get the money in when you flop top pair, which will happen something like 25% of the time. If you contribute 20% of the pot and win it 25% of the time, that’s a good deal for you, even though you lose your 4.5bb most of the time.
I think that’s what’s throwing you off – you are frustrated because you lose more often than not, but that doesn’t make your raise -EV. I suggest watching my Getting Off on the Right Foot series, it should help you get used to thinking in terms of equity and EV.
February 5, 2015
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I totally love that everyone is limping all over the place…for years it was thought of as something only an utter fishbrain would do…and this became common thinking even among the sea of fish, nobody would limp anything hardly. Now I see it all the time, and it has really opened up the game. The limp, along with the donk bet have always been the favourite moves of the clueless, they have been so frustrated for so long in their fish brains that they would be considered stupid making these plays, but now they have been liberated! The word is out, the limp is legit! The fish are in a feeding frenzy of open limping and donk betting, and I just think it makes the games so much better.
Another option is just to limp behind yourself, see what happens OTF.
And whatever you do, don’t start only playing decent hands by raising and medium hands by limping…this is a recipe for being eaten alive! Got to mix it up some
June 19, 2019
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I admittedly was frustrated in these types of scenarios as well until I developed a better understanding of the overall game and wagering a bet as when I started studying poker nearly every instructional piece written suggested that if we were going to play, we needed to raise. However, this is an easy way to bust out of a tourney very quickly when the table is loose passive. In a tournament environment where every chip is precious, we need to make sure that we are using them wisely. If we have multiple limpers in front of us, it is often okay to just accept the price being offered and limp behind, taking our equity share. Once we realize that this is an acceptable way to proceed, we can build ranges and strategies to combat these types of table dynamics.
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