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Poker Stars $14.29+$0.71 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t15/t30 Blinds – 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1645 54.83 BBs
azonicas (BTN/SB): t1355 45.17 BBs
Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with 3
K
azonicas raises to t60, Hero calls t30
Flop: (t120) 7 7
5 (2 players)
Hero checks, azonicas bets t60, Hero calls t60 (I float the flop because villain is cbetting pretty much 100% of the time, also the paired board makes it unlikely he hit it)
Turn: (t240) K (2 players)
Hero checks, azonicas bets t120, Hero calls t120 (I think it's a pretty standard call, right?)
River: (t480) K
(2 players)
Hero bets t290, azonicas raises to t1115 all in, Hero? (here I bet as the villain was often check/calling the river, feeling that if I've checked he could just check behind)
Villain is 59/37 (it's HU), cbet 100% over just 29 hands
What's the villain's range here as played?
78, A7, A5, AK, Kx?
As far as overpairs go given the shove on the river, it's very unlikely.
Combo draws, flush draws, straight draws unlikely given the villain's line post flop and the shove on the river.
55 and 77 a bit more unlikely given the bet on a flop I was unlike to have anything (specially if he hit it).
5x unlikely given the paired board and shove on the river.
Thanks!
June 2, 2012
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As played I think the only hand that really makes sense for villain is 77 or Kx. I don't hate how you played it and we are obv never folding river. Not a huge fan of flatting K3o OOP though. You def need to mix it up and be 3b in this spot sometimes as well.
July 7, 2012
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Can i just check – is this hand HU for the tourney win or a HU hand with villan during tourney?
Either way, you just rivered the effective nuts if I read this correctly i.e. you have Kings full of 7s (KKK77) so the only hand you lose to is 77. You can never, ever fold here unless you have some super sick read on villian. Most likely he has 7x, 55 (which potentially just got counterfit) or he has case K. The line you have taken in the hand makes it look like you are A high and trying to steal on rvr / bluff him out of chop pot. I don't think he ever puts you on a K here, he probably had 7x and still thinks hes way ahead and is making a move that looks bluffy to get an Ax to pay him off. He could also have complete air, thinks your full of it and is making a spaz shove to take it down (this is a $15 buy-in and often villian has little heads-up experience).
Sorry for the lack of clarity. This was a 2-player SNG (I've been playing 2 player SNGs and limit poker to improve post-flop), not HU after a large tourney.
I was 3betting OOP on the BB sometimes, but the focus was in playing larger pots in position (so I was 3betting more on the BTN).
I do have a question if we assume the villain had 77. Wouldn't betting on the flop be a little sick? On a paired board chances are I didn't hit anything (specially if he did). If he did have 77 wouldn't he be risking that I would fold too many hands that he could get value from on later streets? Reviewing the session there was 1 hand that I floated with nothing but overcards that got to showdown. I've flatted so my range was very wide. So unless he was fairly certain I'd float this board with overcards, betting the flop would be risky, right?
I'd call with any draws (flush and straight on the board), any 5x, overpairs and AJ+ (but that was unlikely given the pre-flop action unless I was trapping with a monster).
Thanks for the input.
July 9, 2012
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I've played a lot of HUSNGs, albeit mostly at lower stakes, but this would be a fold pre OOP almost 100% of the time. If you're playing it then you're playing handicapped with practically one card. K6o would be the very bottom of my range. You want to have 2 cards that can flop top pair.
It's not great for 3 betting either because it is not going to play well against his range if called. If you hit your K it could quickly become expensive.
In postion at these blind levels that hand is an open 100% of the time for me.
LordScanner said:
I do have a question if we assume the villain had 77. Wouldn't betting on the flop be a little sick?
If he's cbetting pretty much 100% of the time then it's a pretty big leak not to cbet when you flop the nuts.
It’s not a great hand to float the flop with – if you hit your 3 it doesn'’t change much so you're really only drawing to a 3 outer with the K. The only case for floating is if you are planning on bluffing him off his hand in later streets. I don'’t think calling the flop on the basis that your K with no kicker might be the best hand is an option as you'’ll have to rely on him checking down the next two streets.
The turn you played fine and I’m assuming you called the river. You can never ever fold fearing your opponent has quads. He’ll have total air here countless more times than he has quads.
July 20, 2012
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his range here is Kx or 7x, plus air if he's good/spewy, plus 55 or 5x if he's bad.
Flatting K3 here is OK, it's a good spot to 3bet too. (btw you can obv only 3bet oop when HU and you need to do it with air as well as strong hands). I am fine with the way you played the hand (the flop float is OK if you think you can take him off the hand or are prepared to call another barrel or 2 with K high), I like leading the river, though it could be a nice spot to make a blocker-looking bet too to induce him to spaz out. I couldn't tell exactly what you were asking for in the post but if it's asking whether to call river then ALWAYS calling there, to fold the 2nd nuts here would be hugely terrible.
July 30, 2012
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Sorry for the delay but I had some problems logging into my account.
Good points. I will consider playing a narrower range calling OOP.
And sure thing, his cbet does make perfect sense. As I’ve been playing live so much I think I just got used to the villain checking when they smash a flop.
Thanks.
FeralAce said:
I’ve played a lot of HUSNGs, albeit mostly at lower stakes, but this would be a fold pre OOP almost 100% of the time. If you’re playing it then you’re playing handicapped with practically one card. K6o would be the very bottom of my range. You want to have 2 cards that can flop top pair.
If he’s cbetting pretty much 100% of the time then it’s a pretty big leak not to cbet when you flop the nuts.
July 30, 2012
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runningouts said:
his range here is Kx or 7x, plus air if he's good/spewy, plus 55 or 5x if he's bad.
Flatting K3 here is OK, it's a good spot to 3bet too. (btw you can obv only 3bet oop when HU and you need to do it with air as well as strong hands). I am fine with the way you played the hand (the flop float is OK if you think you can take him off the hand or are prepared to call another barrel or 2 with K high), I like leading the river, though it could be a nice spot to make a blocker-looking bet too to induce him to spaz out. I couldn't tell exactly what you were asking for in the post but if it's asking whether to call river then ALWAYS calling there, to fold the 2nd nuts here would be hugely terrible.
Thanks for the message. Sure thing. I obviously called the river and he did show the 77 for quads.
Great point about the blocker-looking bet. I guess at first I've posted to know if there could ever be a fold, given that the villain was quite nitty post flop (not bluffing too much or putting me in though spots with air). The shove on the river did raise alarm bells right away as I've felt he was more likely to just call. But given his whole range, it seems clear that there could be no folding.
June 5, 2012
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HU is such a different form of poker, that preflop is never always bad or always good. It depends on your overall strategy for the match, dynamics, etc.
But I think the flop float is not good. You didn’t hit any kind of equity, you’re OOP, and I just don’t think its necessary to pull off some kind of crazy bluff in this spot
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