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mnosek2

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January 27, 2017 - 5:14 pm

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Live MTT Day 2 ITM 48/490 remaining

Blinds 1.5k/3k 200 ante

My Stack 110k (36bb)

Villains Stack 120k (40bb)

Preflop

We open J

from UTG +1 to 6.8k

Out opponent 3bets to 16k from middle position

Everyone else fold and we flat

Flop: A62

We check

Opponent checks

Turn: J

We bet 16k

Opponent calls

We hit a set on the turn and we are betting the hand for value. Is this the standard play or would you check and give your oppoenet a chance to delay continuation bet?

River: 3

We bet 35k

Opponent calls with AcAd

Could I have played this hand differently? Are there any mistakes that were made? Afterwards it was very obvious to me that AA was his exact hand…. I was trying to get value from AK, AQ, AJ, 66?

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January 28, 2017 - 3:12 pm

I think you could have played it differently, but I don’t think the end result is the same. With your shallow stack I much prefor a 4bet jam PF as opposed to a call when you have to play the flop OOP. But as played he got you with the turn card. I think a turn bet is mandatory and even after that river I don’t see how you can justify folding or not betting for value when there are so many combos of your opponents hands that you crush. Not much to do IMO.

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January 29, 2017 - 8:55 pm

Is 4-betting small to 35–40k better? I’m thinking out of position it is still a bigger raise than the 3-bet was and shows strength, especially because by then you’re already heads up. There are many flops that will be hard to play with this type of hand.

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February 7, 2017 - 6:47 pm

I played a bit with this hand, creating ranges for you and your villain. His call on the turn to me said AA all the way. See if these ranges are too tight.

Preflop We open J club

from UTG +1 to 6.8k

I’m generally opening: 66+, ATs+, KJs+, QJs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AQo+, KQo – 138 combos. Not sure if this matches your range or not…

Our opponent 3bets to 16k from middle position . I imagine his 3bet range to be something like this — JJ+, AJs+, KQs, AQo+, KQo — although a couple suited connectors for bluffs should probably be added. This might be too tight though – a lot of people will 3bet a lot lighter. This is the problem with creating hand ranges – I start with how I’d play, not with how they play, so the read here of what kind of player he is matters!

We flat. I don’t mind the flat. JJ is a cusp hand for me against a 3bet, and we really want to see that flop.

Flop: A62

We check – If we continue with 100 combos, it might look something like this:

Value/Betting hands: AA, 66 – 12 combos

Marginal/Checkable hands: KK-TT, ATs+, AQo+ – 64 combos

Bluffs/draws to bet some percentage of the time: 99, KhJh+, KcJc+, KdJd+, JhTh, JcTc, JdTd, Th9h, Tc9c, Td9d, 9h8h, 9c8c, 9d8d, 8h7h, 8c7c, 8d7d, 7h6h, 7c6c, 7d6d – 24 combos

Opponent checks — I reduce him to something like this: JJ+, KQs, KQo. I figure he’s for sure betting TPTK type hands, so I remove those – again, read dependent. And I’d probably add a few mid-sized suited connectors

Turn: J

We bet 16k — I’m usually cutting down my range by 30% on the turn but in theory we could lead with 100% of our flop range. But let’s say these 70 combos are what we continue with.

Value/Monsters: AA, JJ, 66 – 18

Marginals: AQs+, AQo+, AJs — 36

Draws/bluffs: KK-QQ, AhTh, KhJh+, JhTh, Th9h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 7h6h — 20

Opponent calls – I think his range is kinda the same as the flop — you could drop the non-hearts KQs but maybe he call to draw to the 4-outer and keep a couple bluff/draws in his range?

I think the bet here works. Start building a pot, you now have something that does beat any Axs he might have checked through.

River: 3

We bet 35k — Trimming down again, we’re continuing with 50 or so combos

Value/Monsters: AsJs+, AhTh, KhJh+, JhTh, Th9h, 9h8h, 8h7h, 7h6h — 11 combos – all the flushes

Marginal/bluffcatchers: AA, JJ, 66, AhJh+, AcJc+, AdJd+ – 27 combos –

Bluffs to push on: KK – 6 combos – I arbitarily used KK here but really I should pick something that has zero SD value as KK might be good, depending on how wide V 3bets.

So yeah, that’s the long way of saying I think you played it ok. That villain flop check and turn call to me says major strength. The completed flush on the river might have saved you your tournament life as it probably slowed him down and you likely would have folded your set if he had pushed over your raise.

What would you have done if a blank came on the river and villain pushed over your river bet?

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February 10, 2017 - 8:45 am

I think your line is fine – the major error you made was using the results of the hand to influence your thinking about whether you made the right play. It might seem obvious that villain had AA after the fact, but they can have plenty of other hands here on the river.

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February 10, 2017 - 10:42 am

joelshitshow said
Is 4-betting small to 35–40k better? I’m thinking out of position it is still a bigger raise than the 3-bet was and shows strength, especially because by then you’re already heads up. There are many flops that will be hard to play with this type of hand.

What’s the value of showing strength?

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February 18, 2017 - 11:35 am

zampana said:

What would you have done if a blank came on the river and villain pushed over your river bet?

If the river came a blank and the villain pushed over the top of my river bet I think I would of had to call. I think putting him on exactly AA and folding second set would be way to tight. The villain could be betting his missed flush draws as bluffs, 2 pairs and smaller sets for value. If we are folding the top of our range here I think we are going to get exploited to often. Appreciate your help with the ranges on each street!

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