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July 7, 2012
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This was from yesterday playing in a live £110 £15K GTD 2 day event. Yesterday was day 1a and attacked 132 entries so the GTD amount is going to be smashed estimated now at £30K. Its a decent structure for this buy-in with 25K starting chips & 40min levels and 12 levels played day 1.
To the hand / spot in question. We are about 12mins into the last level of day 1 with 38.5K, blinds are 2K/1k/300ante. Average stack is +80K and there are ~38 runners left from 132 entries. My table has just gone 7 handed after a bust out. Level 13 blinds at the start of Day 2 will be 3K/1.5K/300.
I have recently moved to the table, i know a couple of the players. The 4 stacks to my left are all between 20-30bbs, BTN is big stack ~90bbs (and is a playgournd bully boy type), no SB as just busted, BB just chipped up from SB and has ~45bb.
I am UTG with 66…….I would like the TPE nations input to the merits of my options;
1) Open fold, hope a better spot comes up before the end of the level
2) Raise, fold if jammed on or call it off? may have to play post as BTN is 98% to call.
3) Open jam
February 4, 2017
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To me this is a clear raise and fold to 3-bet/jam.
The fact it is the end of the day shouldn’t come into it.
August 21, 2014
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This is an interesting spot.
My thoughts are:
With 19BB’s effective stacksize i would not open raise and fold to a 3 bet.
Let’s assume we raise 2.5BB and got raised to 7BB or squeezed allin and we fold, we are sitting with 16.5BB robbed of some fold equity.
Open Raise/Fold is not the option for me.
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With that structure and blind levels a jam would be suicide. We only get called from better hands. 10’s+ (maybe 99 from BTN and BB) KQs+. So we have to win a flip.
Jam in this spot would also not an option for me.
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I would fold that hand pre.
July 7, 2012
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PILLDRIV3R said
To me this is a clear raise and fold to 3-bet/jam.The fact it is the end of the day shouldn’t come into it.
Unfortunately the ‘end of the day’ syndrome is very real for many players, some getting really tight to make sure they get to the next day, others gambling it up because they dont want to come back with a short stack, and those looking to put heeps of pressure on like its a bubble. So the dynamics of the table do need to be considered in our decision.
I obviously omitted an option, which was to limp UTG, I left it out as I find it physically impossible to limp 
but it is an option.
I will wait to see if we get a few more replies, then I will say what I did and why, and also why I posted.
February 6, 2017
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I don’t think 66 is a good candidate for shoving here UTG. I would open and then fold to a 3-bet, which would obviously suck if you did get 3-bet. I don’t think a fold is horrible here either, but I would open begrudgingly.
I have that same condition that makes limping physically impossible.
June 2, 2013
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With 38bb in our stack I would raise, and fold if shoved.
You know that BTN will call with a wide range, and you will be oop against, 66 may be hard to play, but you can represent some strong hands on some high boards such as AKx AQx Axx, maybe fire two barrels because BTN is likely to float. I am saying this because you put his range at 98% and he won´t hit very often, and they usually 3bet pre the top of their range, maybe this V doesn´t.
July 7, 2012
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almofadinhas said
With 38bb in our stack I would raise, and fold if shoved.
You know that BTN will call with a wide range, and you will be oop against, 66 may be hard to play, but you can represent some strong hands on some high boards such as AKx AQx Axx, maybe fire two barrels because BTN is likely to float. I am saying this because you put his range at 98% and he won´t hit very often, and they usually 3bet pre the top of their range, maybe this V doesn´t.
It’s actually 19bb effective – I had 38.5K chips at 2000/1000/300 blinds. With 38bb I would have no problems playing the hand.
March 29, 2016
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I would actually go with Markvor’s answer.
19BB is too much to shove with 66.
Raise/folding with 19BB is not the greatest option. Considering big stack being a bully, considering that it’s end of the day (as you mentioned people might get little bit more agro), the chance of getting 3betted is really big.
I would’ve folded pre, but that’s maybe why I don’t play £110 tournaments 😉
February 2, 2013
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It been the last level of Day 1 is very relevant as most players do not want to come back the next day with a small stack and are often willing to gamble at this stage. I have often heard the figure of around 20bbs as been an ok stack to come back to day 2 with. Some guys have to travel a distance and then there are often family matters to consider as well.
The four players behind you have almost but not definitely reached this gambling stage so they probably won’t be pushing over your raise too light. However if you open raise the button could easily shove and you would have to fold or the button could call and take down the pot unless you hit your 6. Also with no small blind you are risking too much for too little reward.
Open Jam — No – too much risk for too little reward.
Raise — This is my second best option. It looks strong and may get through but the fact that the button is so aggro sways me away from this line.
Limp — It would be great if you could limp and not get raised because they are afraid you are limping with a monster but it is hard to get away with unless you are known to often limp with a big hand.
Open Fold — This is my preferred play and wait for a better spot. If you just fold everything for the remainder of day 1 you will probably be left with about 10bbs going into day 2. This is not good so you will have to get it in at some stage.
July 7, 2012
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The reason for the post was at the time I felt I had no clear decision i.e. None of my options felt like they had an edge over the others, all were viable and none were preferable. I very rarely struggle with a preflop decision, hence this post.
What did I go with……..I open jammed. These are the reasons why
1. The table has gone 7 handed so I am not trying to get this through a full table.
2. Will probably be 7 handed for the remaining 20mins so potentially an extra set of blinds to go through. If I dont pick up a hand or another good shove spot I could be at 9bbs for the start of day2.
3. I dont want to play post OOP, to a bully on the BTN, with a hand that does not flop well.
4. Averaging about 1 hand every 2-3mins really dont have that many hands left to find a spot.
I ran this hand / situation through Holdem Resources Calculator and it actually gives 66+ as marginally +cEV shove. In fact it says as low as 55. But it is marginal.
I busted out to the guy sat next to me who woke up with JJ. On a brighter note I went and played cash for 1 1/2 hrs after and trippled up, so that paid for my entry fees and to go back for Day 1b, which I am pleased to say I did make it through. I then proceeded to be the exact bubble after rivering the wheel and losing to 66.
It seems that a lot of people here (and elsewhere that I posted) advocate folding. So I might consider the more conservative route in the future.
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