10BB rule doesnt matter in this special tourney so much. U still have foldequity with 3-4BB stack in this 1$+R tourney, when ur so deep.

I just prefered to get some chips without showdown and it seemed for me the perfect spot to try. Thats the problem. I definetly had a healthy stack and didnt have to risk with it. But i didnt want to get Short, when we get FT. And i thought the best way to win a huge pot without showdown is to 3bet shove this bigstack, which wont call me without having big pocket or a nice ace..

even if I was tight avrg stack with my first 3bet shove? Because of my tight image, i dont think he would have called me with 2:1 odds, because he should know im pushing at least AQ+/TT+

He was raising like 50% of all hands in the last 15 hands i think. Once got 3bet shoved and folded.

The problem I have is the special tourney structure. People blind out untill like 3BBs and still got foldequity with it, even BB always get 2:1 odds to call. Avrg stack is 10BB etc.

In my opinion the calling range kinda falls down from 2:1 odds, to something around 2.5:1 odds

But im not sure about it. Im playing this one often and thats just what i noticed.

And because of my special tight image and a healthy Avrg stack, i thought that would be the easiest way to take a shot to win 10mio chips without showdown.

I think his calling range against my push there would be something like 99/TT+, AQ+ (even with these good odds and his stack, i dont think he would have called me with AT…maybe AJ)

He stole often the blinds. Its more profitable for him to fold and just minraise next hand again, because he has the chips and a very tight table.

Im not sure if my thinking is fine so far..

Ofc he can, but that didnt matter so much on the shove. BB gonna only call with best premiums. He had twice showdown and both times AK. So if he gets it again, ul to me. When u try to steal blinds, u always go for it (not thinking “oh maybe BB wakes up with monster… A5 would be bad vs. a monster, so maybe i shouldnt steal..”)

That he got AK there was just unlucky, my mainquestion is if this push was ok or profitable. If BB didnt wake up with AK, i would have got 30% bigger stack for free.. And thats massive for this tourney and 14 left..

Is this risk it worth to get these 30% bigger stack…? If i would have waited 1 orbit more, than i definetely wouldnt have any 3bet shove fold equity anymore, thats why i decided to try it here

My hand was pretty unimportant there. I just played the bigstack and my tight image. Before he raised, i already knew he gonna go for the blinds. So i would have shoved there very very wide range, just because of my image and the fact it was my first 3bet shove…

Thanks for help so far… Seems that nobody likes my shove there 🙁 makes me sad ive made this bad move in such important spot..

Would be nice if a TPE pro would comment this hand too, thanks

Thank you a lot

And thank you again 🙂 I was very sure about his calling range. I didnt hate my shove, but wasnt sure if it still was a bad one. Now i can be sure it wasnt bad. It was aggressive, but not bad and i got unlucky BB woke up with the monster.

“based purely on the fact that nobody else is playing back at a chip leader who's running over the table.”

Thats what I didnt like. All other players were too tight and moneyscared. And if i didnt have pushed in this orbit, i wouldnt try it anymore after paying the blinds, coz than he would get like 3:1 odds… And he would have crushed the FT bubble for sure on our table. Tried to slow him down abit, unlucky for me the BB woke up 🙁

Thank you

Well at first thank you for your arguments, but i definitely disagree with you

Players who open very wide usually realize their image and call 3b jams wider to compensate. You talked about how your image would discourage him to call properly, but we do not even know if he is aware of your image or will even adjust if he is.

This is not default poker theory. You cant just analyze my situation, like you would do in a 400 runners regular 10-15min blinds tournament. It was a 15000 runners 1$ rebuy turbo tourney. U dont play it the same when u get deep, like in others. People minraise with 6-8BB stacks and still fold on a shove. They shove 3BBs and still gets a fold by the BB, even BB have like 3:1 odds to call. If u make it like to the last 2 tables in this tourney people are MUCH tighter, than normally.

I would not 3b shove a Bronze-Chromestar player there, who is not capable to fold KJo, 22-77 etc. there. I googled thaleskoppe stats and had an eye on him. He was a good player, who is thinking way ahead, than just “im loose, so others gonna shove loose too”. Ofc he knows his image, and im not a fish who got just lucky to make it that deep there. If I 3b shove him, Im pretty sure “he knows, that I know he raise loose and I know he may be calling me light”

I think he was the only player at the table who was analyzing the situations step further, than you or others at the table would do. So if I shove him, he knows that im risking my tournament life in a HUGE players field with a healthy stack vs a BigStack. And Im sure he knows that i cant just risk it with crap hands vs HIM (because he got more chips and “could” call lighter)

That were my analysis and Im pretty sure he would have folded vs. me too. And im pretty sure his calling ranges are something like ive wrote. I could make it a bit looser, than it would be 77/88+, AT+ (but i dont really believe he would risk 30% of his stack vs. ME with 77 or AT..) If I would be him, its more profitable for him just to fold, and make 5 more minraises to steal, than to call me off lightly 10BBs preflop… And with such a tight table its definitely more profitable for him to fold and just to open next hand again..

If your stats are right, u are good in deep blinds MTTs. The calling ranges, that you just wrote, are perfect ranges to call in a regular 10-15min blinds 10$+ tournament. But in this one he would never ever call me with 22 or KJo, KTs etc.. Because I wasnt in trouble or crippled to risk it that lightly. So if i risk my tournamentlife, it has to be a monster, because im a capable player of highlevel thinking just as he is. Thats the reasons why i would disagree with you..