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Hey guys. Just hitted kinda weird spot, I guess I should just jam this but would like to know your opinion if it’s even close to a fold or so. For some reason HEM1 isn’t working on Microgaming so I dont have the hand history. I found a way to get the text though but it’s not possible to convert with a hand converter so ill just copy the facts here. It’s a 10e 2nd chance tournament with add on.
7 people left, prizepool is the following:
1. 367e
2. 245e
3. 153e
4. 116e
5. 98e
6. 80e
7. 61e
Stacks are these, my nickname is iamPANDAA
Blinds are 1,5k/3k with 300 ante
I_Machine paikassa 1 summalla 7640.00 UTG+1
degster paikassa 2 summalla 141014.00 UTG+2
addicted_86 paikassa 3 summalla 67660.50 CO
jez_mc paikassa 5 summalla 199514.00[Jakaja] BUTTON
BULLETS-OO9 paikassa 6 summalla 76086.50 SB
FMADSEN49 paikassa 8 summalla 93811.00 BB
iamPANDAA paikassa 9 summalla 50274.00 UTG
I don’t have stats obviously, but UTG+1 is a solid winning player for stakes (8d avg buy in), CO is a reg with 36% ROI during 844 games with 23d avg buy in and seems all the way solid to me and BB seems to be like a fun player but winning marginally.
So the action goes
I open 2x from UTG with AKs
UTG+1 shoves 2bb
CO shoves 20bb+
BB instasnaps (faster than light, I’m pretty confident)
Sooo, what do we do here? Just jam even though BB is able to drop out both of the players who have gone all in with his range being incredibly strong here I suppose? Any thoughts?
E: utg+2->CO
When I opened this thread I was ready to type “not folding AKs, get it in.”
But with this much action I don't see why we can't fold.
On this spot, or u have then some of then crushed ( i do think the utg2 is doing that with A9+, A7s+, someone has to have a hand to call his shove) and the bb`s call is something like AQs+, TT+, and u`re coinflipping.
U have AK, so is less likelly someone has the goods, and in a 7handed table, AKs is a pure monster.
I get 15bbs left, in that spot i would just go with it, i mite be wrong but folding AKs on that spot is a hard task.
I`ll wait for druggs reply this one.
Hey guys, I was in a little rush when I posted this hand. So the 3bet jammer is CO, not utg+2. And thanks for the interest in this hand!
I agree with tiltedev here i think i find a fold here.
If this were a bigger buy-in tournament or if the money jumps were important to me here, i'd probably find a fold. In this particular tournament, I'm putting it in a lot of times here with AK and firing up another one(best case scenario we make a money jump of $40), and since I have 15BB i'm probably gambling with AKs(you're prob up at least 1 monster here and i'd even discount my outs with all the action). I think the pros and duggs will say the correct play is too fold considering all of the action multiway in this spot.
i think you can always stick this in here pretty profitably and play for the W
i jus ran this on pokerstove vs these ranges ( UTG1=50%, CO=99+ AJs+ AQo+, BB=QQ+AQs+AQo) we still have 25% equity vs all these ranges in a spot we can ship our last 15bb, if we scoop we have 2nd place stack and are in good shape for a big cash….i think im putting it in here for sure and being fine with the outcome…
personally i think im just open ripping this in with less than 20bb UTG so we can avoid this spot….also it makes your hand look weighted more towards mid pairs and weak Ax hands and you can get soem people snapping off AT+ and KQ
jjfmumusc said:
If this were a bigger buy-in tournament or if the money jumps were important to me here, i'd probably find a fold. In this particular tournament, I'm putting it in a lot of times here with AK and firing up another one(best case scenario we make a money jump of $40), and since I have 15BB i'm probably gambling with AKs(you're prob up at least 1 monster here and i'd even discount my outs with all the action). I think the pros and duggs will say the correct play is too fold considering all of the action multiway in this spot.
as for this reasoning payjumps are all relative to your BR and BI, if your playing 200$ tournaments sure 40 isnt a big payjump but if your playing 10$ tourneys you just gained an extra 4 buy ins…..so i think we have to keep in perspective here and think more about the best plays for the hands rather than the pay jumps
shawnivey said:
i think you can always stick this in here pretty profitably and play for the W
i jus ran this on pokerstove vs these ranges ( UTG1=50%, CO=99+ AJs+ AQo+, BB=QQ+AQs+AQo) we still have 25% equity vs all these ranges in a spot we can ship our last 15bb, if we scoop we have 2nd place stack and are in good shape for a big cash….i think im putting it in here for sure and being fine with the outcome…
personally i think im just open ripping this in with less than 20bb UTG so we can avoid this spot….also it makes your hand look weighted more towards mid pairs and weak Ax hands and you can get soem people snapping off AT+ and KQI
^i like this idea, but since seems like OP m/r utg to induce a shove, well, you got what you wanted right?-cant back off now-lol. Yeah, I agree with you here on AKs being an absolute monster, but think your math might be off a little if you did not discount some of your outs when plugging numbers into pokerstove since its highly likely one(or two) has some of our outs, and one of these villains should show up with a monster here(JJ, QQ, KK and, yes, even the dreaded AA). Also, if this happened on Merge network, i'd be snap-folding AA as even if i'm against K10, KQ, or K3o and think i've got good equity-the K3o will bink the nuts and stack everyone like usual.
ya i def get raising small to induce, i like to think thats what OP was doing then just got all kinds of action he didnt like seeing….
as for the numbers in poker stove the ranges of QQ+ and AQ+ factor in the shared outs and if the oppent has AA, so i think 24% is probably pretty close, idk though i am still learning pokerstove, would love somebody to break it down a little better if i am wrong and they can help out
yes if he has AA you are not 24 % but vs the Range of hands he is most likely to hold you are 24%….keep in mind being 4 ways preflop with only ranges plugged in no bodies equity will be dominating
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