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July 3, 2010
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Or anyone, really.
At what point do you start open shoving hands you decide to play instead of making a normal pre-flop raise? As in… how many bigs and does the blind level also factor in to it?
This isn’t related to blind vs. blind situations. I’m speaking more about hands played from EP and MP rather than in late position.
This question might be coming out way too vague. If so let me know and I can try to explain better.
It has to do with when those hands become profitable to shove from a chip EV perspective.
Shoving QTs with 9bbs from LP is always going to be profitable based on the chips you’d pick up… whereas shoving 25bbs from the same position would be -cEV because your risk vs reward.
I know the answer is vague, but that’s about as good as I can get on explaining it without seeing a specific hand situation and figuring if it’s cEV or not.
July 3, 2010
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Thanks, Wein. Here’s one example I can think of.
Say you have 88 at a 9 handed table and you’re UTG+3 and it folds to you.
At which point do you simply shove instead of making a standard open? In terms of big blinds in your stack, I mean.
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April 6, 2010
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FkCoolers said:
Thanks, Wein. Here’s one example I can think of.
Say you have 88 at a 9 handed table and you’re UTG+3 and it folds to you.
At which point do you simply shove instead of making a standard open? In terms of big blinds in your stack, I mean.
I probably shove this somewhere around 15 BBs, but others might feel differently.
Another factor that impacts this for me is if antes are in play.
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March 17, 2010
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Once i’m under 30bbs I’m in a different mindset and not looking to play much post flop. I’ll open hands but I’m not looking to fold too much – it has to be a spot where I’m likely to get folds or i look strong.
in your example–88 from UTG+3 (which I’m assuming is HJ) it’s actually pretty interesting. with ~14-15BB (or an M of 7) shoving as low down as 33 is +cEV, but with an M of 8 (~16-17BB) shoving 88 is not +cEV but 99+ is.
this depends a lot on position, your hand, the players left to act, stacks and game flow. but in general i prefer to raise/??? over open-shove with just about any stack as it allows me more flexibility, however if, for example, players behind are shoving on my opens light and i have a hand with too much equity on five-card runouts like QJ or QTs, then i’ll usually just opt to shove.
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