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Villain just sat down and I have no reads on him at all.
I am guessing his most likely holdings here are;
1) Big Draw
2) 77-10 pair
3) Airball
***all in no particular order
How should I proceed here???
Stage #281442415 Tourney ID 5654175 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 300 – 2010-07-18 14:16:28 (ET)
Table: 5 (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 1 – ROKALULA (21,498 in chips)
Seat 2 – THE_AARDVARK (15,242 in chips)
Seat 3 – HAMMERU (10,525 in chips)
Seat 4 – KARALLIN (4,995 in chips)
Seat 5 – TCB21 (15,320 in chips)
Seat 6 – JOSIAHW (15,710 in chips)
Seat 7 – MOCK23 (22,078 in chips)
Seat 8 – COIN GUY (13,313 in chips)
Seat 9 – WAZDADEALIE (5,705 in chips)
ROKALULA – Ante 25
THE_AARDVARK – Ante 25
HAMMERU – Ante 25
KARALLIN – Ante 25
TCB21 – Ante 25
JOSIAHW – Ante 25
MOCK23 – Ante 25
COIN GUY – Ante 25
WAZDADEALIE – Ante 25
MOCK23 – Posts small blind 150
COIN GUY – Posts big blind 300
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HAMMERU [6d 6s]
WAZDADEALIE – Folds
ROKALULA – Folds
THE_AARDVARK – Folds
HAMMERU – Raises 685 to 685
KARALLIN – Folds
TCB21 – Folds
JOSIAHW – Folds
MOCK23 – Calls 535
COIN GUY – Calls 385
*** FLOP *** [5d 2s 3d]
MOCK23 – Bets 1,200
COIN GUY – Folds
HAMMERU ??????
FOLD. donk lead on drwy board from SB. we're likely looking at some draws and he could have connected with board from SB. our problems are even furthr than the bet we're facing. wt is the likely holding of the other player in the hand. wt reads do we have on him? he could be flatting w/55 – 99, jqs+ out of bb. i think this is an easy fold here with 66.
bjizz
bjizzle44 said:
FOLD. donk lead on drwy board from SB. we're likely looking at some draws and he could have connected with board from SB. our problems are even furthr than the bet we're facing. wt is the likely holding of the other player in the hand. wt reads do we have on him? he could be flatting w/55 – 99, jqs+ out of bb. i think this is an easy fold here with 66.
bjizz
???? The other player folded so he is out of the equation. It is just us and the villain.
HammerU said:
bjizzle44 said:
FOLD. donk lead on drwy board from SB. we're likely looking at some draws and he could have connected with board from SB. our problems are even furthr than the bet we're facing. wt is the likely holding of the other player in the hand. wt reads do we have on him? he could be flatting w/55 – 99, jqs+ out of bb. i think this is an easy fold here with 66.
bjizz
???? The other player folded so he is out of the equation. It is just us and the villain.
i see. didnt catch that. still with no reads it may be an easy fold. i still say a ton of overcard connectors/gappers are in his range. he could have Ace rag type hands maybe flush drw/str8t drwa. his bet is such a good portion of our stack so we dont want to call flop and fold to turn bet which is too spewy. if i was to call flop then i would be jamming turn 100%. we dont want to get to attached to hand when we're slightly ahead most time. i say just fold to flop bet and keep notes on villian
bjizz
bjizzle44 said:
HammerU said:
bjizzle44 said:
i see. didnt catch that. still with no reads it may be an easy fold. i still say a ton of overcard connectors/gappers are in his range. he could have Ace rag type hands maybe flush drw/str8t drwa.
bjizz
If this is your read why would you fold?
HammerU said:
bjizzle44 said:
HammerU said:
bjizzle44 said:
i see. didnt catch that. still with no reads it may be an easy fold. i still say a ton of overcard connectors/gappers are in his range. he could have Ace rag type hands maybe flush drw/str8t drwa.bjizz
If this is your read why would you fold?
because we're a slight favorite in the hand. we're drwing to 2 outs. make it 6 outs when u add the 4 for a str8t.
bjizz
bjizzle44 said:
HammerU said:
bjizzle44 said:
HammerU said:
bjizzle44 said:
because we're a slight favorite in the hand. we're drwing to 2 outs. make it 6 outs when u add the 4 for a str8t.
bjizz
seems super weak to just fold there when a player donks out into you and you have an overpair and a gut shot.
its my play with no reads on villian.. u only have 66 thats not all that much to consider when the turn card is likey puting u in odd spots. it is weak but ur not all that strong either. nothing wrong with folding here…… so wt did u do here anyway.
bjizz
this is a tough spot. Raising his weak lead commits a lot of chips but i think is your best play if you choose to play the hand.
July 3, 2010
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Raise. Flatting gives you no information. He could have a weakish ace that made a pair and has the wheel draw. He could have 4 crap …
Raise > Flat > Fold I think.
If the Turn is something like a 9 and he donk leads again if we flat what would you do then?
this is a pretty tough spot and my general gameplan here could likely end up in the “what's your leak?” thread 😛
anyhow, i think that calling and folding are both pretty close. raising is interesting, and if we were a bit shorter and could comfortably shove with an overpair+gutter i might like that, too. but with these stacks i thiink jamming is a bit of overkill, and i think raising will just let villain continue with a range that is ahead equity-wise (meaning that he's either beating 66 now or has a hand with better equity than 66 while not having us beat like a FD+2 overs), and fold all worse hands.
raising here because it “gives you more information” is a leak and something we all need to try to eliminate from our game. sure it's easier to just raise here than calling and guessing on later streets, but that doesn't make it good. every bet or raise you make should either be for value or a bluff, and i don't really like raising for either reason here.
i'd usually peel one here. it sucks because in general im folding to a turn barrel, so i'm calling hoping that villain will shut down, but i think we have just enough equity to continue but not enough to raise, so i call. and FWIW i think folding is probably fine.
also, depending on how the table is playing, i might not open 66 here PF. it can be a nasty hand to play postflop and if a lot of villains behind are flatting and theres a good chance this pot goes 3+ ways to the flop with us OOP folding PF is totally fine. i'd rather open KQ or QTs than 66.
TPE Management
March 17, 2010
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I think calling or folding are pretty close. I can call but fold to a 2nd barrel. The problem is that he almost always barrels turn here and you fold a big % of the time. That is somewhat balanced by your outs to the set/straight + times he doesn't barrel.
That said, I think you're looking at an overwhelming majority of the time that you put in 1200 and fold turn with no further equity. So I lean fold.
June 25, 2010
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I agree with Hagbard, I peel one here, and fold to a turn barrel if you don't improve. A lot of his range, such as A5s, and over cards with flush draws, he will check the turn if he doesn't improve, so you won't always be faced with a turn bet here.
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