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Running JJ into KK
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July 5, 2010 - 10:53 pm
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Can I avoid this at all? raise him pre and fold to shove? is that an option

Poker Stars $1.00 No Limit Hold’em Tournament – t2000/t4000 Blinds + t500 – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

GUNNY45 (SB): BB = 8.1, t32240
bflrunnerup (BB): BB = 12.1, t48373
serzhinho (UTG): BB = 26.1, t104416
jappie x (UTG+1): BB = 49.1, t196471
tmaple35 (MP1): BB = 22.9, t91735
21_tito_1984 (MP2): BB = 7.2, t28724
RJ1979 (CO): BB = 27.0, t107953
ShipThisPLZ (BTN): BB = 38.3, t153175

Pre Flop: (t10000) ShipThisPLZ is BTN with J[Image Can Not Be Found] J[Image Can Not Be Found]
serzhinho raises to t8998, 4 folds, ShipThisPLZ calls t8998, 2 folds

Flop: (t27996) T[Image Can Not Be Found] T[Image Can Not Be Found] 2[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players)
serzhinho bets t14041, ShipThisPLZ raises to t32255, serzhinho raises to t94918 all in, ShipThisPLZ calls t62663

Turn: (t217832) 3[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t217832) Q[Image Can Not Be Found] (2 players – 1 is all in)

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July 6, 2010 - 10:40 am
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3 betting pre-flop is an option especially since you are on the button and you probably should be 3 betting from the button to steal some of the time anyway so I feel a 3 bet here balances for when you have air / are on a total steal. I know its a UTG raise so you may not want to 3 bet quite as much as UTG does still need to be given credit unless you guys have history and or you have noticed that he raises pf utg often. IMO flat calling pf is probably not the best way to play this hand as there are probably going to be overs on the flop which will make your deicisions on the flop, turn and river more difficult, also you could win the pot with a 3 bet pf as he could fold (we know he has KK so hes obv not folding but raising always gives you another way to win the hand) and you don’t have the proper stacks to set mine here.

If you 3 bet to say, 21500 and he ships then you have a tough decision to make (it could be AK,1010,QQ,KK,AA etc). I would think most pros probably lean towards a fold if he ships as you still have over 30 bigs if you fold. A10 probably chk-raises as well as 1010 and any over pairs just as he did. Under pairs probably choose a check-call type of line to get to showdown cheaply esp since he is OOP.

Not sure how to play the flop in this situation if you were to flat call – Would flatting his c bet and then re-evaluating on the turn be the ‘safer’ line here? I guess you don’t want to see an Q, K or A on the turn so probably raising on the flop was the correct decision but once he shoves you really have to try and figure out what you are beating. Tough spot post flop if you just decided to flat call his c bet.

 

 

 

 

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July 6, 2010 - 3:13 pm
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flatting is fine vs UTG raise if you don’t expect him to spaz ever and 4b worse.

Imo, 3b/call and flatting in position are both way better than 3b/folding.

 I flat his flop cbet and probably call him down, maybe finding a fold on the river if he fires all 3 streets.  Not fussy about raise-getting it in on this flop since I don’t think much worse ever stacks off here.  You still lose to AA-QQ, but now also lose to TT and Tx.  I doubt AK AQ or AJ bet-3bet this flop, and there aren’t really flush/straight draws to get it in against here either.

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Flatting IP or 3betting is fine based on reads I like both. I like our raise of his cbet but when he comes over the top we are rarely ahead, I would cuss and fold although again if I had this guy as an aggro monkey I would get it in however it would have already been in preflop if I had that read.

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