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April 6, 2013
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Poker Stars $50+$5 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t3200/t6400 Blinds + t800 – 8 players – View hand 2175257
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
UTG: BB = 27.9, t178776
UTG+1: BB = 13.3, t85081
MP1: BB = 30.7, t196739
MP2: BB = 5.9, t37898
CO: BB = 13.9, t88757
BTN: BB = 28.3, t181118
SB: BB = 15.3, t97912
Hero (BB): BB = 50.2, t321121
Pre Flop: (t16000) Hero is BB with Q
8
5 folds, BTN raises to t12800, 1 fold, Hero calls t6400
Flop: (t35200) 3 4
9
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: (t35200) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t12485, BTN calls t12485
River: (t60170) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets X?
Fishy villain done some fishy things like lead shove 3x pot on AQ22 three flush texture after calling from the blinds and flop went check check v EP open. Playing something like 25/15 at the time this hand happened, only like 20 hands. Bottom-ish of my calling range here, my range is adjusted based on the skill level I perceive in my opponent, so I would fold here v some and call v others. I keep his range wide on the turn with my size. Now how much do I need to bet to fold A high?
July 7, 2012
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honestly I dont think you can. The board is too dry, you're not really repping anything. However, if you are going to bet you have to bet big as fish dont seem to understand the concept of 'value betting' and therefore dont understand that when you make a bet size that looks like you want calling you shouldnt be bluffing, because they are gona call. So, if you want them to fold air with equity eg A high, you have to bomb it. However, if he has any pair here I think he is calling. Think you are going to have to bet something like 48999 to have a chance of a fold. Personally I think I give up on this pot and move on to a better spot.
January 31, 2013
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Why do people always try to bluff the fish? You are just leveling yourself most of the time.
In this case, if you want to try to outplay villain. 3bet pre and lead on this flop.. you wouldn't be doing stuff like that without the nuts while being OOP .. right? 😉
April 6, 2013
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There is no levelling going on at all. He has ace high here and I wonder if there is some amount I can bet that will result in him folding it :). If the answer is no, then I shouldn't bet. If it is yes, then I should and bet that amount. Levelling is something that happens when thinking players are involved.
I'm inclined to agree with Turbulence's post.
June 1, 2012
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Gareth Chantler said:
There is no levelling going on at all. He has ace high here and I wonder if there is some amount I can bet that will result in him folding it :). If the answer is no, then I shouldn't bet. If it is yes, then I should and bet that amount. Levelling is something that happens when thinking players are involved.
I'm inclined to agree with Turbulence's post.
Why are you trying to bluff fish? Fish don't like to fold so there is no point trying and you choose the worst board to do it on because Villian will most of the time have atleast a pair here he wont be folding.
January 31, 2013
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Perhaps we have to agree to disagree, but i still think that you are just leveling yourself by thinking you can barrel villain of his hand when played like this.
No flame intented ofc.
April 6, 2013
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I guess I use the word levelling for something else.
I think we agree. I agree with Turbulence's post when they say there probably isn't a bet size that gets him off ace high. I don't think I can barrel villain off his hand when played like this, so I don't think I should bluff. But I am open to trying! There are plenty of places and reasons to bluff fish, the usual ingredient is that they have a weak range in a spot as a result of having too wide a continuing range on an earlier street. So bluffing fish is about attacking that weakness. We're talking about folding ace high and king high here — I don't even want to get him off any pair.
So I don't agree with redvulture that villain has a pair here most of the time, I think we are looking at ace high the majority of the time.
Maybe I should just press the all-in button.
May 30, 2012
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bet 27777 on the river as played. think pre is fine. think he rarely has a pair here. its like A10-AK, KQ-K10 K9 K8 K7 J10 QJ Q10 Q9 and some random stuff we beat. occasionally he has like A5/67/A2 and the river sucks but im not too worried.
and i think that fish dont showdown A high very often at all, and this is an extremely hard board for him to have connected on turn and river with, we would have to bomb turn pretty massive to ever expect a fold since there are still cards to come. but on river he isnt going to look us up with A high when he whiffs.
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December 6, 2012
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I'm posting mostly to second Turb's post and Gareth's second post. Definitely a good call pre. I think his check back flop range is either marginal/showdown value (pair < 9, A-high) or giving up. He's not folding the former, and your Q is actually good against some % of the latter. I'm much more inclined to stab here if my high-card value is worse. As for not bluffing fish: …..ngstation/
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