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what do i do here with qq after i 3 bet pre
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May 5, 2013 - 11:20 pm
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im latish in mtt small buy in 220 players left blinds 1800/3600,  i have 147,000. guy in early position opens he has not been real active but not real tight, i have qq in sb i three bet he calls flop 732 two diamonds i bet 14k on flop he raises to 32k.

What should i do raise call or fold?

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May 6, 2013 - 12:34 am
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This is an opportunity you should take to risk all the online poker betting circles you have accumulated up to this point in this particular multiple table tournament.

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May 6, 2013 - 7:30 am
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I suspect its a “shove it right in his eye” type situation.

If he's on the flush draw he can't conceivably have the odds to call (depending on the size of the pot and your threebet sizing).

If he has low cards and is on the straight flush draw, then, he's playing terribly anyway, no way to counteract that.

If he stacks you, well, that's poker.

Most of the time you're going to be good here as I suspect AA and KK would want to get it in pre, and the only other hands that would call a three bet and still be playing here are good flush draws, or TT-QQ.

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I like this post as it is a situation that comes up so often. If he has a big flush draw, I don’t think he is folding. He could very easily have 77 here. Unless he is bluffing, the money is going in here. Sorry but I don’t know what to do here.

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Do you have villians stack size?

 

Well its hard to put him on aces or kings, you would think there would be a 4bet pre. 

 

Flush draws are likely, maybe some mid pockets, maybe he's just a fish with a wheel draw, whatever the case I think its safe to say we can be fairly sure of you being ahead when you get it in.

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I think the postflop advice others have given here is good. I just want to add that you should anticipate this situation before you 3-bet preflop. Ask yourself am I going to feel comfortable stacking off with this hand in a 3-bet pot if an A or a K doesn't flop? Here I think the answer can generally be yes, and that makes it a good 3bet. If, for example, you had a smaller pocket pair like TT, you might choose not to 3bet in this situation if you don't feel comfortable answering yes to that question. Whenever you make any preflop decision, you should already be thinking about likely postflop scenarios and whether or not they will be profitable for you.

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May 6, 2013 - 3:11 pm
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ty guys for advice i guess he played hand sneaky and good i shoved over his three bet thinking i had best hand if not hell call with worse or fold and i win good size pot but he snapped me with kk, but i like getting it in here a lot of times in past similiar situation ive been called by 1010 jj and worse pairs and draws, i guess his flat pre is good play cause if he four bets me pre he gives me chance to fold.

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May 6, 2013 - 3:12 pm
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sorry i mean i shoved over his flop re raise

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May 7, 2013 - 6:22 am
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Not sure i like his flat pre here, he’s giving your three bet range (which I assume is JJ+, AQo, AJs sort of range) a chance to draw out on him. I mean, what does he do if an A lands on the flop? Give up?

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May 7, 2013 - 6:51 am
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i disagree i love his flat hes taking a small risk but he wants to stack me with kk and flatting my three bet is best way to do that, we are both deep if he 4 bets pre im not definately getting it in it will feel like kk aa or ak.

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May 7, 2013 - 7:04 am
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It’s certainly worked this time. I just have an issue with the fact that your 3 betting range should contain a whole but load of aces. If you ignore for a second that you know what you hold, what should be think that you hold based on how often you’re 3 betting a UTG open?

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May 7, 2013 - 8:44 am
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What was your 3 bet size? Did you have the Qd in your hand? 

This particular spot is a cooler but might as well think about and include these things for future reference as they do tend to make a big difference in other spots. 

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May 7, 2013 - 9:01 am
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nice post junior good point im playing tight and 3 betting utg raise its important to think what he thinks i have, he obv thought i was strong and didnt want to scare me off pre so he played it great maybe i shoulda been aware that a flat here pre with monster is good possibility

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May 7, 2013 - 11:02 am
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Well said Danrose. Villain knows you are strong when you 3 bet his utg raise pre. He takes a chance that an Ace doesn’t come down on the flop.
So when he reraises you on the flop, “well he thinks he has you beat or thinks you missed with AK. If I was you I’d be thinking ” oh God, this could be the end for me”. I would call his raise and fold to a turn bet unless I hit the Q. A lot of players lose their stack in these spots and end up scratching their heads, wondering where it all went wrong. Ps- I am a bit of a fish

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