Matthew “theginger45” Hunt Premiere Video – SCOOP Final Table HH Review (Part 3)
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MrPunty
At ~4:50 you 3 bet 99 from the HJ and UTG+1 flats OOP. The flop is AJTcc, and you end up folding to a x/min-raise, saying his bet looks extremely strong. In his shoes, does it ever make sense to min-raise on such a heavy, wet board with anything other than KQcc? Every other hand he may have is vulnerable – even sets, which are unlikely, can readily get outdrawn, and you said you’d peel if you had a hand like AK. So if he was really strong, wouldn’t he make his sizing larger since he can get value from so much of your range? And in that case, isn’t his line basically the same as yours when you elected to c-bet – a one-and-done stab with a low/no-equity hand attempted as cheaply as possible here?
duggs
Hey great series so far, I noticed that you were talking about setmining BU v SB, not that i would play it any differently given stack sizes, but setmining loses profitability hugely given his button range is going to be very wide doesnt it? is there ever a case for folding 22 at say 40bb eff and flatting hands that will flop better, or even 3betting it as a bluff? im unsure about the 2nd one since it seems a pretty poor hand blocker wise and its not a great hand to cbet since it has no semibluffing potential. I dunno, what are your thoughts?
simbadlion
gg man and ur good in explaining ur actions/decisions
at the hand bt-bb when u get 3b small by the guy with q9s u sad its better for him to flat that and play a small pot(but i kind of like 3b ing those hands oop against agro guys who steal alot dont u? obv his sizing is very bad,but im talking about th spot in general,i d rather 3b that hand if i know i produce many times then not folds,and if i get call i have initiative and fe with a cbet)
ATrainBoston
Hello, just want to say I really like this group of videos so far. Mostly I want to weigh in on the issue of should you show every hand, or just show 20 key hands. Definitely, definitely, definitely totally in favor of showing only the key hands. Sure, its ok to once in a while look at a video that shows every hand since this gives you the whole gameflow, dynamics, etc. But I believe that after a certain point, the study of poker is mainly the study of tough spots and interesting hands. Cutting out the boring hands is the most interesting, time effective way of doing these videos in my opinion, so please don’t change that.
NoirDesir87
Hi, great first series!
At 4:50 where you 3bet 99 HJ vs UTG+1, you said you probably don’t want to go with it preflop, so you are planning to fold vs a 4bet right? So don’t you think you are turning a good hand into a bluff? Isn’t it better to 3bet hand like A2o and just call with 99?
Sharky
I like quickly breezing over all hands so we can see who is 3betting a lot etc. Without that info the key hands can’t be evaluated properly imo.
theginger45
Hey, sorry it’s taken me a little while to reply. Busy with WCOOP etc this month.
As far as the hand in question goes, I generally tend to think check/minraising is almost always a bad idea in any spot, since it’s so rare that people will fold to it, and thus its usually massively weighted towards strong hands and can’t be balanced.
In 3bet pots especially, on a flop like AJTcc, I just think the flop smashes a standard 3betting range so hard that it would be an awful spot to c/r bluff, because a) there are so many strong hands I can have, and b) given the likelihood of me checking back a lot of marginal value hands like weaker Ax hands I was bluffing with, KK, QQ etc, my flop betting range is polarized to stronger and weaker hands. I would cbet/fold if I was 3bet bluffing with a 76s kind of hand or 3betting for value with 88 or 99, but otherwise when I actually cbet that flop in a 3bet pot my range is usually pretty strong.
When he check/minraises therefore, it just seems like an attempt to get value out of what is already a strong range. The parts of his calling range vs my 3bet that hit that flop more marginally (KJs, QJs, AQ, AK maybe) he would be more likely to just call instead of turning into a bluff, so its basically only the pairs 99 and below that he could be bluffing with there, and it would just be a terrible play on his part to minraise as a bluff on a flop that smashes my range with a hand that has between zero and two outs.
theginger45
Hey, yeah I think you’re definitely right that it’s important to pick the spots we setmine and the stack sizes. I think it’s possible to play pairs like 22 profitably in spots where we feel like the villain isn’t going to be barrelling off a lot, though, so I suppose we can play small pairs for pure value versus those players occasionally.
With regard to 3betting those pair hands, the best spots to do it are spots where you’re looking to induce a 4bet/fold – I wouldn’t 3bet them, especially OOP, in spots where we think we’re going to get peeled a lot, but there are some great spots to 3bet 22-66 and then just pile it in villain’s face vs a 4bet if we have the right dynamic.
theginger45
Hey, thanks for watching!
In general I think people really underestimated the likelihood of our 3bets just getting flatted. In deeper stacked spots like that when I 3bet hands like AJ or 99 I’m doing it for value, because villains will peel a lot. If I get 4bet, it will depend on sizing and timing, but usually I’m only going to be 3betting those hands for value against villains who are more the flatting type and not the type who would a) 4bet bluff me too often or b) fold to our 3bet too much for us to get decent value by 3betting in the first place.
In some spots we can be turning a good hand into a bluff by 3betting and folding to a 4bet, but it also works the other way – when we 3bet A2o against a guy who’s likely to flat our 3bets too much, we just get ourselves into a horrible postflop spot with a nothing hand.
The gist of what I’m saying is that whether or not we should be 3betting those hands is ENTIRELY dependent on the player you’re playing against, which is why it’s crucial to know how your opponents are likely to respond to 3bets.
theginger45
Thanks man. The reason I don’t like 3betting the Q9s there is because so much of my flatting range vs his 3bet is going to dominate him. I’m going to call with mostly suited hands, and mostly hands that contain cards above a nine.
That means that when he makes a Q high flush, I’m very rarely going to have a J high flush unless I specifically have JTcc, whereas I can have all kinds of combos of Axcc and Kxcc; when he makes a Q high straight on KJT I can have AQ, but when he makes a Q high straight on JT8 I can’t really have 97. When he makes top pair with Qx I’m never going to have Q8.
Conversely, if he just peels the big blind with Q9s, all the hands he does dominate are still in my range, and he stands a much better chance of stacking me rather than getting stacked himself when he makes strong hands. I would peel the big blind very wide here, maybe even down to Q6s or 96s, but I would really only 3bet the big blind as a bluff with hands like Q3s or 94s which are closer to pure bluffs.
I’m thinking of making a video series on playing from the blinds at a later date, so you’ll probably see more detail on this explanation once I do.
NoirDesir87
Thanks for answering!
I totally agree with you when you say we can 3bet 99 or AJ for value but I prefer do it OOP (BB vs CO for example) as people tend to call more IP and with a wide range. When we are IP vilain is more likely to 4bet or fold but yes if you think he will peel a lot even OOP it’s way better to 4bet 99 than A2. In general I just prefer 3bet a polarize range IP and a merge range OOP but as you said it’s villain dependant!
ty ^^
duggs
Hey Matt another question, on the river in the final hand of the video with AJ on a K107ddQ9 board, you say that we should be bigger since we only really get value from Jx in his range and its difficult to get him to turn anything into a bluff. given this is the range we are targeting, what are you thoughts on check/jamming or raising depending on his sizing, its seems unlikely that he will elect not to value bet a straight on the river, and his weaker hands arent calling a bet anyway, do you think its likely that he will b/f the river given our line?