4 Responses to “TPE Theory: 3-betting and 4-betting (Part 3)”

  1. duggs

    great series daryl! few things i want you to clear up a bit,

    1/ for a shove to be better than folding it just has to yield an EV of greater than -2.2bb doesnt it?

    2/ given the large amount of variance in 4bet jamming a reasonably wide range, what kind of edge would you require to do it in different field sizes and structures?

    love your work

  2. aaaaaaaaa

    1 – I’m not sure I always count folding as neutral EV but idk I could be wrong ( sry not good enough at math ) .

    2- I think how wide we 4bet jam has a lot more to do with our level of confidence in the play obv edge plays a role as well tho. But I’d be a lot more inclined to take a .1bb edge if I was rly sure my play was good then if I was uncertain . It also depends on the position of the player , if i’m at a FT and the guy is on my left I would need a much smaller edge than if it was a guy 3-4 to my left in mid stages.

    Wish I could answer more thoroughly but its so dependent and I honestly dont rly know either .

  3. duggs

    1/ im pretty sure how it works, with the overly simplified example of calling a 3bet, even if we call and lose 1bb per hand in the long run, that -1>-2.2bb that we open. thats why defending blinds has to yield a return of greater than -1. but im not entirely sure.

    2/ shouldnt we push smaller edges outside of the money where we are essentially playing with a winner take all ICM model, as opposed to at the final table the payout structure would push up the minimum cEV payoff to make it breakeven in terms of $EV.
    I think the confidence thing is a really good point, would you consider our edge against the field and how deep and fast moving the structure is. eg pushing a .1bb edge at 45bb in a soft well structured tournament isnt the best way to realise our edge, but at a table of sickos in a faster structure with 30bb and they have position it becomes more attractive? I suppose our confidence in identifying their bluff frequency is important cause that seems to be the biggest determinate given noone loves getting it in for supr thin value.

    im not really sure on any of this but i find it pretty interesting

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