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loxxii
45:00 QQ Last hand…
This is a spot where I want to try potting the flop. Instead of a target of just one hand, I would consider a target range. What types of hands does villains flat a 3bet with? Mainly broadways and small/medium pairs. Occasionally, big pairs as well.
I think a check raise looks stronger than just potting it on the flop. Potting looks like I am scared of the draws with something like Qx. I think it has a better chance of getting raised than a check raise getting 4bet. Also, because we bet so big, the number of chips going into the pot wont be too different from a check raise.
This is just something I have been thinking about away from the table. I haven’t tried it in practice yet.
Foucault
Sorry I’m so long in responding. I watched diligently for questions/comments the first few days after the video was released, but I guess it’s been a while since I checked in. Anyway, couple of things:
Yes, a check-raise does look stronger than a bet. However, we won’t often be raising, because Villain won’t often be betting. What I suspect to happen often is Villain will check back flop and then call two bets with a hand that would end up paying off only one bet had we bet the flop.
I also think it’s good for balance purposes to find excuses to check strong hands. If you always bet two pair+ on the flop, then your checks are very easy to play against. Not that slowplaying top set alone is sufficient to counteract that, but it’s a start, and I think a better candidate for slowplaying than smaller sets.
What kinds of hands do you expect Villain to call or raise with if you pot it? It doesn’t seem like it’s really in your interest to represent top pair, as you say.
folding_aces_pre_yo
great series 😉
folding_aces_pre_yo
Hey
Regarding the last hand QQ – if the pot was instead large relative to the effective stacks would you consider slow playing?
I think slow playing would be fine because if v has a draw they ain’t going anywhere anyway and if they have a strong hand like AQ/JJ they are going to bet these too also if we check on the flop our range is going to look weak and may also induce bluffs.
cheers.
Foucault
Yes I think you’re right about that. As long as stacks are shallow enough to get all in over two streets. The worst time to check, I guess, would be with an SPR of like 7 – 9 where you’re likely to need three bets to get all in but the pot is also somewhat larger (larger than in this example).
folding_aces_pre_yo
Okay. What if we had AQ and the stacks were shallow enough to get all in over 2 streets…would you still consider slow playing or do you think our hand is not strong enough candidate and a bit to vulnerable? so for instance if were going to slow play that would be to c/c flop and then check shove non heart turns? i actually think v may check back turn with their draws ott so i think c/c flop and then shoving turn is probably a better line if we had AQ or maybe perhaps c/r flop and calling a shove otf?
which line would you take with this hand pretty much?
Foucault
Especially with AQ but probably with QQ as well I think you’d want to c/shove flop if V bet. Think of it this way: the only difference between check-raising and check-calling and then shoving turn is that you let your opponent see a turn card. Either way, you put all your money in before he has a chance to do anything. With two bets in the stacks, c/shove is a good way to play a lot of draws as well. If V checks behind flop, then you don’t have to be as worried about his having very strong draws and he’s less likely to have a hand that would pay you off, plus of course you don’t run the risk of not building the pot as you do with deeper stacks.
folding_aces_pre_yo
Thank you so much foucault.
Yagasmurf
really like the point of losing the largest bet (river) by slow playing the flop